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what is black and everybody how you

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doing how you doing alright get ready

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now I'm gonna make this announcement all

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week that tonight and every night from

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radio holy crap that's right there you

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all this gear all this equipment all the

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stuff all this stuff that is here the

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the fact that we weren't able to pull

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that off is uh is is a shame but it's

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done now so welcome everybody tonight we

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have very special guest Bob McGuire is

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here we're gonna be discussing

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artificial intelligence UFOs and you ApS

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and the search for them quite frankly

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doesn't get much better than that Bob is

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one of the world's top researchers in

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the field of artificial intelligence and

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has been leading the way using computer

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technology to help detect UFOs a new

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States he got his BS EE electrical

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engineering and BS applied math from

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Auburn University and his PhD in Applied

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Mathematics from Brown University are

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you intimidated yet you should be Bob

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faculty at Auburn University from 1984

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to 1986 the Institute for Defense

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analysis scary Center for communications

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he's been there since 2011 as professor

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and chief scientist of the Ted and Karen

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technology he has founded three

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companies Hawkeye 360 Inc a federated

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and is currently the president of UAP

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tracking Network Inc his website is you

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simi I'm doing well thanks for having me

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on it's great to have you here I'm

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where I'm coming from but before we get

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disclaimer you're ready I am Bob it's

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friends and where that conversation

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starts it starts where it ends it ends

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but we're gonna and his friends you

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ready to go I'm ready now okay Bob let's

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we need to for the audience to set the

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record straight on a couple of things

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about you so they understand the

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conversation moving forward okay so I'm

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gonna be very direct you work very

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closely with all of the security

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agencies it is your job and do you

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consider yourself a member do you

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consider yourself a spook so for a long

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time I worked for them but when I left

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the Institute for Defense analysis and

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came to Virginia Tech my job was to try

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to help young people who were doing

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to look at careers working for the

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talent and so the Hume Center was

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senior executive at the Central

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Intelligence Agency

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left of the CIA started the company did

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very well his company was bought out and

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from some of the proceeds of the sale of

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his company he started the Ted and Karen

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Hume Center and its job was to give

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projects so they could be exposed to the

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kinds of science and engineering they

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would be doing while working for the

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government at the same time not go deep

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into debt so that should they choose to

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go to work for the government or or will

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the corporation's that serve it they

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could afford to do so they wouldn't have

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to look for a high paying job just to

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pay off their school debt so the center

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has started modestly and has really

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taken off where we have hundreds of

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undergraduates that go through

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exponential learning projects where they

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are exposed to the kind of problem sets

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them to work in this community and we're

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filling a big need so if you want to say

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that Virginia Tech is a major and I do

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mean major feeder school for the

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intelligence community and DoD and its

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corporations that would be a true

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statement

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so and of course without you know just

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moving around in a clandestine way here

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where we are directly referencing the

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CIA or the NSA or the NRO or any of the

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agencies that deal with security and

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intelligence gathering that is correct

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okay now like I said I'm nervous man I'm

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nervous

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it is this Bob and I know I I know that

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okay is this the rumors the statements

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that have been made over the years is

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that you never actually leave one of the

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intelligence agencies that you are

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always directly connected and you have

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your security

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oh that's let's address both sides of

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that before we move forward are you

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currently under a security oath that

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that I need to dance around tonight I am

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under a security oath I continue to have

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a security clearance because the the

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some of the projects that we do are for

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one or more of the agencies you have

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mentioned and as such I'm exposed to

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classified data okay so if if I go into

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that zone tonight and I will and and you

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can't answer the question I think we're

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all gonna understand why okay and you

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can certainly state that and now what

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about the first part of the question

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which is you never actually leave the

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corporation right that that you're still

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bound somewhat do you feel that way

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about yourself personally yes I

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certainly do I feel first of all have

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lots of friends in the community was

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there for a long time and I developed

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very deep relationships the the two of

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the companies I started were with other

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people who had left working for the

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that's federated wireless and Hawkeye

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360 and just let me give you an example

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of why you want one example for me

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anyway why you don't really leave

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Hawkeye 360 was that is the first

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commercial company ever to build

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spacecraft that tried to geo locate

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transmitters on the ground and of course

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you can see why that would be of

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interest to security entities and that

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work for the United States government

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and the National Reconnaissance Office

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has made Hawkeye 360 the first

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mercial supplier of geolocation data in

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its history so it's kind of a it's we're

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first in the business we're doing work

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for the NRO because the there one of

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their jobs is signals intelligence and

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so geolocation is a thing am I in the

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Hawkeye 360 database that would be

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really you can you can look for your

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signal but we can't say that's Jimmy

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church's signal that would be really bad

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okay got it got it

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now I know what we do here you know what

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we do here and I've always wanted to

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reach out to get you on the show but I

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didn't think that it would ever be

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possible for the obvious reasons you

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know you would just politely decline but

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as it turns out that you Bob have been

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you've been creeping you've been

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creeping in the boundary you have been

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listening to and that I kind of expect

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you know I just don't know who's

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listening to the show it's a big show

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and and and you just never know who's

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out there but I would assume that our

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website is monitored it would have to be

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otherwise they're not doing their job

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okay so I'm cool with that that's fine

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but did your name do you know did you

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did you get flagged

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did anybody reach out to you go and hey

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Jimmy turgid show and we're gonna be

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listening the answer is yes I had people

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call me and say you're gonna be on Jimmy

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church's show and that's cool I won't

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tell you who they are or where they work

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but some did and and I expect that I'm

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actually very you know what it's almost

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an honor if if it was the other way

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right that they're what them it's like

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I'm not doing my job right and and

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there are they so there you go okay so

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now actually let's move forward you have

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out of and I have interviewed the top of

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the top and and I'm very proud of the

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history of this show but your CV your

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resume is absolutely insane

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okay and I went Bob and and looked up

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your mentions okay your citations in

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different published papers okay do you

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know what that number is do you have any

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idea what that number is to be honest

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with you I don't okay

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are you ready yeah go for it you have

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586 citations and published papers since

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2015 that's crazy talk and and I went

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down and through you have 731 public

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citations that are listed and like I

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said 586 since 2015 and you go through

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and I've got the look I got the full

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list of 586 right in front of me and and

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I went down and and looked at some of

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the recent ones and the titles of these

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papers are about as intimidating as it

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gets and so as I want the audience to

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understand our conversation tonight and

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and who who you are who Bob is and where

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this information is coming from and and

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I've got to commend you you've had a

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very very busy life and you have

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accomplished an awful lot so with that

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let's jump into this okay go for it go

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for I want to talk artificial

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intelligence first and there's two sides

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of this conversation that that are

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raised by everybody and then I want to

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get into the esoteric side of our

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official intelligence to the hard

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theoretical stuff that is out there on

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the fringes but first off the the two

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the two conversations that are normally

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had is that AI is the first one as AI is

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fifty years off from being anything real

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and it's going to be safe and fun and

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good for Humanity there's that side then

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the other side is in a couple of weeks

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it's gonna take over the world and kill

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everybody right that those are the two

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conversations they are murdered haven't

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they haven't been helped by all of the

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popular movies and television shows that

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that have AI in them do we have

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something to worry about

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so I would say that it's if if men and

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women can think up really difficult

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things to do with technology it can be

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misused and by that I mean it is

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possible to turn over weapon systems to

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artificial intelligence or control

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systems but if you do that

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and you're not assured that the

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artificial intelligence control system

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works properly in all cases that's

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probably irresponsible so a big part of

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the research that's going on in the

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control systems for all sorts of things

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that will help the the intelligence

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community and DoD do its job is

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understanding how those things work

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understanding what are the limits of its

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capabilities and how to bound the

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capabilities in such a way that it

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doesn't get off track but in all human

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endeavor endeavors mistakes are made so

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it's a long serious learning process but

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the facts are this kind of stuff is

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already being done Jimmy the the USS

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Zumwalt

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is a naval ship and its can operate

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autonomously and it has big guns on it

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and it and it looks like it's straight

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out of Star Wars exactly it's a crazy

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shape is to have a low radar profile so

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it's hard to see coming it's a beautiful

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beautiful beautiful ship and it

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certainly represents the future but it

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also scares the crap out of me and the

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reason why it does is one of my fears

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and I think it's a genuine concern is

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that if we have some automated machine

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guns mounted on a robot some tracked

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vehicle that can autonomously go through

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a neighborhood or a city and kill the

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bad guy right okay and we've got a swarm

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of those things out there and suddenly

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they just decide to kill everything that

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moves including me and you how would we

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stop that and that'sthat's that's the

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part that I think scares everybody is is

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how do they detect good good guy from

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bad and and who's got the off switch and

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if if the intelligence is there they

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should know it autonomously that we have

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an off switch so this artificial

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intelligence has already got a

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workaround that's the part that kind of

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freaks everybody out I get it so let me

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let me dispel dispel that almost

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immediately so the way the the

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autonomous systems that are deployed now

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the way they work is they inform a human

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being that they need to do something or

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something is of interest or there's an

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alert that there's a danger and a human

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sitting on a control panel makes the

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final decision is the and that doesn't

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really make me feel better and I'll tell

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you why

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I'll tell you what is that when we start

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to get into machine learning and AI a

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being enabled to modify and correct and

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fix its own code and to learn then these

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things could be written out of the code

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right or is there some bona fide safety

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code that's going to be in there to

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prevent anything like this from

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happening that's an excellent question

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and the deployed systems right now do

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not write their own code so that's

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that's probably coming that systems will

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write their own code and it's been

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predicted for a long while that machines

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will in fact begin to write rewrite

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their own code and many people have

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heard of a stand and then Ray Kurzweil

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talked about the singularity and the

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singularity is where the computer all

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computer systems all of a sudden are

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able to write code and update themselves

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faster than any human can control them

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and so they become runaway writing their

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own code they're making themselves

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better we are not we are not close to

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that yet so right now systems that are

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in weapons do not rewrite their own code

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this is the thing go ok let's let's talk

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about Gophers I can go is a game that is

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played over in Korea China Japan yep and

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the go there's a few different go

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computers and we don't need to get

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specifically into that but the go

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computers just recently took down the

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world champion and I don't foresee too

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much more go versus human competitions

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because it's it's fruitless there's

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nothing to gain anymore you can't beat

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the computers anymore they're that

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successful but what they did is they

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took the

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I think it's a go zero might be I could

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have the name wrong

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but that is a machine learning computer

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and what they did is they took all of

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the go coding that they spent years on

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all of the moves and all the possibility

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coded into it remove that and just put

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in machine learning code and said okay

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learn the game Hitler in the game and

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that's what took down the the the world

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champ right and he's could not predict

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what go would do next and that was the

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thing there was no human part of it

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that's not the scary part though Bob so

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they went and took the same idea and

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applied it to chess now we all know

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about Kasparov and and IBM's big blue

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and and it's computer they spent a

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decade writing code of all the possible

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moves in chess right years and years in

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here and that's how it ran so they took

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the go and and it was successful right

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okay they take the go computer they take

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out all of the code and they say learn

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chess in one day one day the go chess

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version not only learn chess but kick

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the ass out of everything out there and

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because of that on that day there is no

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more chess human competition because

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they shut down the IBM computer they

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can't and that is machine and it was

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simple code it was the simplest of

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machine learning code that's the part

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that scares me

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the ability to learn with the capacity

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of a thousand human brains taking a

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thousand years of learning compressing

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all of that into with the with the

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chipset in one day doesn't that scare

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you and make you a little nervous it's

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it is an amazing thing what you're

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talking about is the reinforcement

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learning mechanisms that are on those

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machines

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and you train them essentially like you

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do a child you reward them when they do

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something good and you punish them when

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they do something bad now

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you don't beat them you don't beat your

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computer but you you've raised and lower

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a score you raise in lore of the game

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they get in terms of the computer

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algorithms keeping score for itself and

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we by doing this reward and Punishment

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system it learns how to perform better

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so but it's also possible and it is done

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that you limit the things the computer

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is allowed to do even though it says you

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know if I did that I could do better you

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say no you are not allowed to do that

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so any responsible algorithm writer

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would not allow a computer that's it

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that's involved with lethal systems to

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do anything it could learn to do it just

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wouldn't would not be allowed is there

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is there an agency there's some

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governing body out there that is

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monitoring the progress of artificial

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intelligence and to to make sure that

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these safeguards and that there are

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nothing but good honest Minds working on

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this because it only takes one bad actor

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with a simple set of code to to

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literally run the world

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so there are impact safeguards in

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several different entities inside both

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the intelligence community and DoD but

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Jimmy you know as well as I do I'm not

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gonna sit here and tell you that there

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are no bad people in the world so there

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will be bad people that come along and

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do bad things even with these computers

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because that's the nature of human

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beings some are good and some are bad

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the the the the safeguards are putting

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limits on those things these computer

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systems are ever allowed to do and if

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those limits are removed then the the

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way the system would have

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work is it has to have the ability to

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verify quickly that the code is

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operating as its supposed to operate and

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will not leave the bounds so safeguards

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are being worked on all the time to

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prevent these computers from doing the

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wrong thing human beings might make

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mistakes I'm not telling you they won't

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but I'm telling you this is constantly

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being pursued to keep these computers

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operating within bounds it's it's it is

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top of the list of things that people

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have to do if they're doing these kinds

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of computer programming things so I'll

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give you an example the the our Center

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worked on using drones to fly over a

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squadrons of Marines and to tell them

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what the situational awareness was of

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everything around them so that if they

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were about to be attacked or there was

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some danger that could be inferred from

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the date of these the drones were

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gathering it would send that data down

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to the squadron but in this particular

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case there's no they don't they had no

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lethality they were strictly sensors so

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that's a very good thing and you so

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there's there's less limits placed on

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what those drones can do because they

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don't have any lethality so if there's

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there there are limits to what can be

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done on those systems that operate

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things like the USS Zumwalt there just

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thinks it simply is not allowed to do

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and if the humans that are in charge of

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those systems remotely are nearby detect

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the thing is malfunctioning if they can

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be stopped and turned off so a it we

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have to trust the people who are doing

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these kinds of things to put those kind

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of safeguards and limits on them and to

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the extent that they do not do it then

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then then that's a failure but I assure

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you this kind of verification and

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validation is top of the list of what's

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done

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with we've got about two minutes before

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the break is it safe to say Bob that the

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the country or the private company or

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you know the country that gets to

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general intelligence and AI first is the

551
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winner that that is a very good question

552
00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:34,359
and the answer is probably yes now for

553
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,039
those of us in the United States it is

554
00:29:45,389 --> 00:29:41,279
just I'm gonna give you Bob's opinion

555
00:29:50,299 --> 00:29:45,399
there aren't there aren't actual peers

556
00:29:54,659 --> 00:29:50,309
that can integrate systems across large

557
00:29:57,959 --> 00:29:54,669
sets of capabilities any better than the

558
00:30:01,440 --> 00:29:57,969
United States they just can't do it so

559
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to the extent that you have one of these

560
00:30:08,099 --> 00:30:05,710
computers that's a in our a artificial

561
00:30:10,229 --> 00:30:08,109
general intelligence and suddenly it

562
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:10,239
takes off and can train itself better

563
00:30:15,899 --> 00:30:14,049
than any human could ever do that will

564
00:30:19,469 --> 00:30:15,909
almost surely happen in the United

565
00:30:23,009 --> 00:30:19,479
States first unless things dramatically

566
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:23,019
change and then from there the other

567
00:30:28,739 --> 00:30:26,049
major advantage the United States has

568
00:30:31,859 --> 00:30:28,749
over anyone who might decide they're an

569
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adversary is the integration of our

570
00:30:36,659 --> 00:30:34,210
command and control systems with all

571
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:36,669
sorts of other things they would need to

572
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:40,960
have a bad effect is is not no one else

573
00:30:47,959 --> 00:30:44,289
compares so it's just right right now we

574
00:30:51,180 --> 00:30:47,969
have we are the super power in

575
00:30:54,029 --> 00:30:51,190
artificial intelligence and the cuz the

576
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:54,039
artificial intelligence we have can

577
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:56,320
control systems better than anyone else

578
00:31:03,570 --> 00:30:59,820
that might decide to be mean to us so

579
00:31:05,459 --> 00:31:03,580
right right now we're we're good is that

580
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:05,469
gonna last forever of course it isn't

581
00:31:11,459 --> 00:31:08,169
China is working very very hard to

582
00:31:13,379 --> 00:31:11,469
become a near top and they're building

583
00:31:17,419 --> 00:31:13,389
big computers and trying awfully hard

584
00:31:20,669 --> 00:31:17,429
and so it's a foot race to see who can

585
00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:20,679
- artificial general intelligence first

586
00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:24,400
my own feeling is right now we're

587
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:26,590
playing with tinker toys in terms of

588
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:28,510
this artificial intelligence we aren't

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close to that we'll take our break right

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here when we come back we have to

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discuss what is a GI that is the key and

592
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we're going to go straight there when we

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come back our guest tonight Bob McGuire

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and don't you worry everybody we're

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gonna get to the UFOs and the aliens Bob

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welcome back fade to black I'm here

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Jimmy Church tonight our guest is Bob

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McGuire got a lot to talk about tonight

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I want to remind everybody tomorrow

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night dr. dine and pessoa joins us and

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then Thursday night is another Fator

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night with open lines all night long

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tonight Bob Maguire we're talking about

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AI and we are going to get to the search

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of UFOs and new ApS over the skies to

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the United States and using the latest

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computer technology to do that we'll get

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to that just a bit but right before the

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break Bob we started to talk about AGI

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and I think everybody understands at

617
00:33:06,019 --> 00:33:02,519
this point artificial intelligence and

618
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:06,029
and have a general idea of what that may

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be but AGI is the real concern and is

620
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:14,610
the actual goal for everybody at this

621
00:33:20,509 --> 00:33:18,090
point what is AGI how would you define

622
00:33:26,299 --> 00:33:20,519
it okay so first of all I want to say

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00:33:28,970 --> 00:33:26,309
that it is not universally accepted what

624
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,980
AGI is so I'm going to give you kind of

625
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:30,960
what I think are the big the big

626
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:34,590
features that most people that are

627
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:36,419
working on artificial intelligence would

628
00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:41,220
agree on would be part of AGI and so the

629
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the ability to plan actions the ability

630
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to learn from what's going on in the

631
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,309
environment or pruin presented new data

632
00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:53,519
and once once you learn and plan you

633
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:56,070
need to be able to represent knowledge

634
00:34:01,279 --> 00:33:58,320
in a way that can be stored so it has to

635
00:34:03,980 --> 00:34:01,289
have memory so they can learn and plan

636
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:03,990
and put put the results in memory and

637
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:06,210
then it has to be able to reason as to

638
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,859
solve solve puzzles form strategies make

639
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:12,960
judgments even when things are very

640
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:16,530
uncertain needs to communicate in a

641
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,690
language that allows it to interact with

642
00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:21,000
the environment so if you if you want to

643
00:34:26,659 --> 00:34:23,669
talk to a computer it has to it has to

644
00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:26,669
communicate in natural language and all

645
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:29,369
of these skills need to be integrated in

646
00:34:35,629 --> 00:34:33,419
an efficient way so that the the it

647
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:35,639
the computer doing the artificial

648
00:34:41,539 --> 00:34:37,440
general intelligence interacts with you

649
00:34:44,539 --> 00:34:41,549
as if it were a conscious entity so that

650
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,549
there were they were developed all along

651
00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:48,000
from the earliest days tests for when

652
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,859
you had a artificial general

653
00:34:56,089 --> 00:34:53,280
intelligence and Alan Turing was one of

654
00:34:58,309 --> 00:34:56,099
the first people that but made a test

655
00:35:00,799 --> 00:34:58,319
for artificial general intelligence and

656
00:35:03,170 --> 00:35:00,809
he wrote this paper called the imitation

657
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,180
game and that's where the movie about

658
00:35:07,819 --> 00:35:05,460
him got its name even though it wasn't

659
00:35:11,660 --> 00:35:07,829
about artificial general intelligence so

660
00:35:13,789 --> 00:35:11,670
it's it's a machine on a human both

661
00:35:17,690 --> 00:35:13,799
converse with somebody else who's

662
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:17,700
sitting in the middle and the AG AI wins

663
00:35:25,339 --> 00:35:21,720
if the person grading who's most human

664
00:35:27,319 --> 00:35:25,349
picks the AG AI so when that happens or

665
00:35:30,289 --> 00:35:27,329
that thing has become artificial general

666
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,299
intelligence enabled according to Alan

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00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:33,180
Turing now Steve Wozniak who was with

668
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:37,260
Apple he had a more practical test if if

669
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:40,140
a machine could enter at the average

670
00:35:46,549 --> 00:35:43,770
home go and figure out where the coffee

671
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:46,559
was figure out how to turn on the coffee

672
00:35:52,309 --> 00:35:49,650
maker fill the basket full of coffee and

673
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:52,319
make a cup of coffee and take it to

674
00:35:58,339 --> 00:35:54,660
whoever was going to drink it that was

675
00:36:00,079 --> 00:35:58,349
the Wozniak coffee test so there there

676
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:00,089
are all sorts of these tests that are

677
00:36:06,980 --> 00:36:04,650
generally meant to test the ability to

678
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:06,990
reason represent knowledge plan learn

679
00:36:11,809 --> 00:36:09,119
and communicate in an integrated fashion

680
00:36:14,900 --> 00:36:11,819
so I've given you kind of this

681
00:36:16,789 --> 00:36:14,910
high-level overview without driving down

682
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:16,799
into details because the diving down the

683
00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:20,089
details is really complicated

684
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:25,230
mathematics and logic so if if this

685
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:31,200
stage is is achieved which is developing

686
00:36:42,289 --> 00:36:37,490
a machine that can understand and learn

687
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:42,299
a simple task like coffee that a human

688
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:43,520
being can

689
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:47,450
and once that is done then the

690
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:49,310
floodgates are open right it's just off

691
00:36:54,730 --> 00:36:51,890
to the races because that is that's

692
00:36:57,690 --> 00:36:54,740
that's the moment where these machines

693
00:37:00,670 --> 00:36:57,700
can start to learn and teach themselves

694
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:00,680
yes indeed and that is indeed the goal

695
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:04,400
so so when you teach a machine to to

696
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learn and make coffee

697
00:37:12,490 --> 00:37:09,680
the next task it can it needs to do may

698
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:12,500
not be making coffee but it will learn

699
00:37:19,540 --> 00:37:16,250
some things while making the coffee that

700
00:37:22,810 --> 00:37:19,550
it might use to do the new task that's

701
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,820
right so it's called transfer learning

702
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:24,560
so you need to do the learning of the

703
00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:26,810
task but you also need to be able to

704
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:29,390
generalize that which you've learned to

705
00:37:35,380 --> 00:37:32,450
other tasks that is a real artificial

706
00:37:39,010 --> 00:37:35,390
general intelligence and and if it gets

707
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:39,020
to that point if it gets it sounds so

708
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:40,850
simple doesn't it but if it gets to that

709
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:46,930
point now we have the computing power of

710
00:37:56,980 --> 00:37:51,550
making you know millions and millions of

711
00:38:00,820 --> 00:37:56,990
decisions per second far surpassing the

712
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:00,830
limits of the human brain where now it

713
00:38:09,070 --> 00:38:04,210
would actually be doing the work of

714
00:38:11,230 --> 00:38:09,080
multiple doctorates right multiple

715
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:11,240
scientists where you would have a

716
00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:14,750
roomful of brainpower and you said okay

717
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:18,830
guys we need a cure for coronavirus we

718
00:38:23,650 --> 00:38:20,810
need a vaccine and they've got to go to

719
00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:23,660
work or you can go to this a GI system

720
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:28,550
and say we need a vaccine for a corona

721
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:31,210
virus and this thing cranks it out in

722
00:38:36,850 --> 00:38:34,880
seconds right is that is that where

723
00:38:40,300 --> 00:38:36,860
we're at with this that's where we're

724
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:40,310
heading yeah again so so the ability to

725
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:45,010
do the detail work with mechanized

726
00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:48,320
pieces mix the right chemicals put them

727
00:38:53,110 --> 00:38:50,390
together in just the right way figure

728
00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:53,120
out the order of things to put into it

729
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:55,790
that's that's a lot to ask of a machine

730
00:39:01,150 --> 00:38:56,960
right now

731
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:01,160
but that but in fact what you said is a

732
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:03,890
goal and just just as an aside while

733
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:06,050
you're talking about coronavirus it was

734
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:08,210
an artificial intelligence company in

735
00:39:13,870 --> 00:39:10,850
Canada which long before everyone else

736
00:39:16,780 --> 00:39:13,880
knew it said that there was a major

737
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:16,790
problem with some kind of virus and that

738
00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:19,370
was the first prediction of the corona

739
00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:24,920
virus by an AI company in Canada the the

740
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:32,380
other part of this is if an AGI machine

741
00:39:40,750 --> 00:39:37,670
finds out that not only it has itself to

742
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:40,760
work with but if it has access to the

743
00:39:45,310 --> 00:39:42,890
Internet and it finds out that all of

744
00:39:47,980 --> 00:39:45,320
the world's information in history is is

745
00:39:51,730 --> 00:39:47,990
out there for it to collect information

746
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:51,740
from then we go into a danger zone that

747
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:54,290
we might not be able to stop is there a

748
00:40:00,010 --> 00:39:57,890
way to put these safeguards in because

749
00:40:03,730 --> 00:40:00,020
you wouldn't want an HDI computer to

750
00:40:05,830 --> 00:40:03,740
know about the internet would you so I

751
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:05,840
think they're very will not be very

752
00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:09,410
useful overall in a completely connected

753
00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:12,230
world that we live in now if they did

754
00:40:17,250 --> 00:40:15,260
not have access to the Internet so the

755
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:17,260
the we're going to have to figure out

756
00:40:23,230 --> 00:40:19,910
restrictions to place on them of things

757
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:23,240
they are allowed to do with the

758
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:25,490
information and things they're allowed

759
00:40:30,850 --> 00:40:27,890
to do and not allowed to do in accessing

760
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:30,860
information so again it's you you want

761
00:40:35,470 --> 00:40:33,200
to you want to build the capability but

762
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:35,480
at the same time you want to build in

763
00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:37,310
restrictions if you don't do both

764
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:38,960
simultaneously you've done it

765
00:40:46,420 --> 00:40:43,370
incorrectly the the other part to this

766
00:40:48,660 --> 00:40:46,430
and and I've heard you know some pretty

767
00:40:51,460 --> 00:40:48,670
smart people like Neil deGrasse Tyson

768
00:40:55,690 --> 00:40:51,470
say some pretty crazy statements like

769
00:40:58,480 --> 00:40:55,700
well if if I had a an AGI computer that

770
00:41:02,140 --> 00:40:58,490
was running amok I would just shoot it

771
00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:02,150
with a shotgun right and and and take it

772
00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:05,990
out well I would think okay well what's

773
00:41:10,570 --> 00:41:07,820
your response to a statement like that

774
00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:10,580
from Tyson so

775
00:41:14,380 --> 00:41:12,260
a little bit of high I think that I

776
00:41:17,830 --> 00:41:14,390
think it's a little over the top

777
00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:17,840
first of all I don't think I would allow

778
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:20,780
a artificial general intelligence right

779
00:41:27,490 --> 00:41:24,530
now to when it's running amok to have a

780
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:27,500
weapon that could stop me and the right

781
00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:30,710
response is to have an automatic system

782
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:34,550
which says that machine is running them

783
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:38,990
up turn it off well I'm plugging it just

784
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:41,900
seems too simple but but but literally

785
00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:43,640
that's that's really kind of your last

786
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:45,710
line of defense because these things do

787
00:41:50,650 --> 00:41:48,290
they have to have energy to function if

788
00:41:52,750 --> 00:41:50,660
you deprive them of energy they can't

789
00:41:56,380 --> 00:41:52,760
function so that has to be part of the

790
00:41:59,620 --> 00:41:56,390
safeguard I would think this is worth

791
00:42:02,650 --> 00:41:59,630
you know just a science fiction comes

792
00:42:04,570 --> 00:42:02,660
into play that any computer with this

793
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:04,580
level of intelligence already knows that

794
00:42:09,790 --> 00:42:07,280
this option is available to us and

795
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:09,800
they've got a serious workaround and I

796
00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:10,730
don't know what that is

797
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:13,160
maybe they'll beam in electricity via

798
00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:17,780
Tesla coils no you know I don't know I

799
00:42:21,220 --> 00:42:19,070
don't know but I would think that

800
00:42:23,590 --> 00:42:21,230
something that simple right the the off

801
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:23,600
switch the trigger switch pulling the

802
00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:26,420
plug out shooting it whatever the

803
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:29,000
solutions may be that the computer is

804
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:31,310
already 1,000 years in front of us on

805
00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:34,250
those kind of primitive thoughts so so

806
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:36,230
the science fiction stuff is certainly

807
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:38,990
thing people think about when they when

808
00:42:46,090 --> 00:42:42,530
they build these systems but deep inside

809
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:46,100
of these computers I would build you

810
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:48,710
remember 2010 they fault the sequel to

811
00:42:54,340 --> 00:42:51,410
2001 where they had this knife switch

812
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:54,350
that would cut the cable inside where

813
00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:56,810
the computer couldn't reach it so those

814
00:43:01,450 --> 00:42:58,760
kinds of things would be put into these

815
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:01,460
systems so that the computer itself

816
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:03,680
simply didn't have the physical ability

817
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:07,760
to remove them and if activated the

818
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:10,310
machine would be deprived of energy it's

819
00:43:15,940 --> 00:43:12,860
just irresponsible not to put those

820
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:15,950
kinds of things inside now okay now

821
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:18,890
let's go into a hypothetical here which

822
00:43:31,630 --> 00:43:24,170
is this you program into

823
00:43:35,860 --> 00:43:31,640
the AGI - to benefit the planet right to

824
00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:35,870
benefit to benefit us to fit and and one

825
00:43:41,380 --> 00:43:38,420
of the concerns you punch in is you know

826
00:43:45,490 --> 00:43:41,390
let's solve I'll just pick something

827
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:45,500
let's solve pollution let's solve global

828
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:49,580
warming right let's solve trolling on

829
00:43:56,530 --> 00:43:53,150
the internet whatever and you punch that

830
00:43:59,740 --> 00:43:56,540
in and the computer just kills the human

831
00:44:03,040 --> 00:43:59,750
race that would be a bad outcome because

832
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:03,050
were the causes of pollution right were

833
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:05,450
the causes of global warming we are the

834
00:44:12,610 --> 00:44:10,070
trolls on the Internet I mean it thinks

835
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:12,620
it's better you know it's doing what

836
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:15,830
it's told it's it's fixing the pollution

837
00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:20,570
problem alright is is this a real issue

838
00:44:23,410 --> 00:44:21,980
something that we would have to be

839
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:23,420
concerned about now I know I'm going to

840
00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:27,200
the extreme but we're we're also talking

841
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:29,060
about something that isn't human here

842
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:31,490
that would think logically pretty

843
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:33,650
quickly because even babies can think

844
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:37,130
you know fairly logically at amazing

845
00:44:41,020 --> 00:44:39,290
speed at a very young age well we're

846
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:41,030
gonna have these same expectations from

847
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:43,690
computers that may not have that right

848
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:48,370
so again it's the responsible computer

849
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:51,050
programming and enabler is going to

850
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,060
build in things things that are like

851
00:45:03,220 --> 00:44:58,880
Asimov's laws but we have to figure out

852
00:45:06,220 --> 00:45:03,230
how to make Asimov's laws bound the

853
00:45:09,100 --> 00:45:06,230
things that the robot computer is

854
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:09,110
capable of doing so you the thing you

855
00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:11,690
would again remember we're teaching

856
00:45:17,110 --> 00:45:13,550
these things by reinforcement learning

857
00:45:19,090 --> 00:45:17,120
so the the thing that played go the

858
00:45:21,580 --> 00:45:19,100
thing that won the chess match the same

859
00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:21,590
thing that you've now taught how to do

860
00:45:28,270 --> 00:45:23,660
something and you don't want it to do

861
00:45:30,610 --> 00:45:28,280
something bad then it's reward is doing

862
00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:30,620
something good for Humanity and at the

863
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:33,140
same time not killing them is the good

864
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:35,990
outcome and so it learns those two

865
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:38,070
things together so you

866
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:40,490
there has to be a responsible

867
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:43,110
programming of these things so that the

868
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:46,350
bad outcome is negatively rewarded

869
00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:49,650
really badly yeah while while it's being

870
00:45:53,420 --> 00:45:52,470
trained and is this going to be fix it

871
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:53,430
for all time

872
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:55,530
no one can see that but it's certainly

873
00:45:59,960 --> 00:45:58,200
going to fix it for for for the

874
00:46:01,850 --> 00:45:59,970
foreseeable future in the way these

875
00:46:03,020 --> 00:46:01,860
things will be programmed well is it

876
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:03,030
gonna be they're gonna be taught like

877
00:46:07,370 --> 00:46:05,370
babies they're gonna be rewarded and

878
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:07,380
punished when they give the right

879
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,130
outcome what scares you most I mean what

880
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:13,440
makes you lay awake at night when it

881
00:46:18,950 --> 00:46:16,490
comes to AGI and artificial intelligence

882
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:18,960
right right now the thing that scares me

883
00:46:27,820 --> 00:46:23,070
most is people need something to do

884
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:27,830
so if robots and computers replace all

885
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:31,050
activities of human beings that's not a

886
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:34,730
good outcome so I think we want to

887
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:38,610
responsibly bring these things online so

888
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:41,430
that while the computer are placing

889
00:46:48,260 --> 00:46:44,490
people who are doing dangerous or menial

890
00:46:51,110 --> 00:46:48,270
tasks that they're also helping people

891
00:46:53,060 --> 00:46:51,120
to learn to do new things and do other

892
00:46:56,660 --> 00:46:53,070
things and happy live live productive

893
00:46:59,060 --> 00:46:56,670
lives even though they can no longer do

894
00:47:01,820 --> 00:46:59,070
things that were that the computer can

895
00:47:03,530 --> 00:47:01,830
do easier the end or a robot or a

896
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,540
machine can do easier than a human can

897
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:06,240
being to do there you can enhance their

898
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:08,910
lives by the computer helping them to

899
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:11,400
learn other things it's just the world

900
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:14,130
that will change when this happens but

901
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:15,960
it doesn't have to be all negative so

902
00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:18,570
the one of the things that I think

903
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:22,470
people never bring up that I do believe

904
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:26,910
is is likely to come is the interface

905
00:47:33,050 --> 00:47:29,700
between the computer and the human so

906
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:33,060
that they become our partners in doing

907
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:37,260
things so there is no replacement for

908
00:47:43,850 --> 00:47:40,140
the intuitive leaps that a human being

909
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:43,860
can take so the computer will have this

910
00:47:51,460 --> 00:47:46,800
extremely fast calculation and this

911
00:47:54,849 --> 00:47:51,470
extremely broad ability to store

912
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:54,859
some ounce of data and sift it extremely

913
00:48:00,490 --> 00:47:57,770
fast rate but the the kind of intuitive

914
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:00,500
leaps that a human can do I don't see I

915
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:02,990
really don't see an easy way to do that

916
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:05,510
computer unless you just roll a dice and

917
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:08,660
let it choose things to think about and

918
00:48:14,170 --> 00:48:10,450
others don't see that happening so

919
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:14,180
computer humans working together is kind

920
00:48:22,270 --> 00:48:17,050
of the best outcome to me what scares me

921
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:22,280
is the unemployed Russian computer

922
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:29,390
engineer who is bored that that's that's

923
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:32,210
what makes me nervous well it should

924
00:48:39,130 --> 00:48:34,910
make you nervous goes the the unemployed

925
00:48:41,859 --> 00:48:39,140
computer person certainly used their

926
00:48:43,660 --> 00:48:41,869
skills for bad things in the 2016

927
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:43,670
election so I'm not going to sit here

928
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,890
and tell you bad people won't do bad

929
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:47,359
things when they have no other way to

930
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:49,849
make a living so we need to make sure

931
00:48:58,810 --> 00:48:54,970
people are able to do things is there

932
00:49:00,579 --> 00:48:58,820
you know off-the-shelf stuff right you

933
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:00,589
go to fly so you buy the latest and

934
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:01,040
greatest

935
00:49:07,329 --> 00:49:03,290
all right you buy motherboard by chipset

936
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:07,339
do you buy a a nice power supply some

937
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,490
some fans with neon lights on it right

938
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:12,800
slap it into computer case you laugh

939
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:14,690
because you know exactly that's your

940
00:49:23,020 --> 00:49:17,530
dream you know I have one in my office

941
00:49:29,290 --> 00:49:23,030
exactly could that computer could that

942
00:49:33,609 --> 00:49:29,300
sustain the the correct a GI code if it

943
00:49:37,630 --> 00:49:33,619
was written it could not and that's

944
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:37,640
because the think of it this way the

945
00:49:47,260 --> 00:49:42,140
human brain has a hundred billion

946
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:47,270
neurons and a quadrillion synapses and

947
00:49:53,770 --> 00:49:50,210
right now that's not easily done in

948
00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:53,780
inside of a computer but that but it's

949
00:49:58,540 --> 00:49:55,580
coming there's no doubt about it so

950
00:50:01,780 --> 00:49:58,550
making a thing that's interconnected in

951
00:50:03,790 --> 00:50:01,790
a way the brain is connected so all of

952
00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:03,800
these crazy different things that

953
00:50:07,980 --> 00:50:05,300
seemingly are on

954
00:50:11,410 --> 00:50:07,990
related but inform different pieces of

955
00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:11,420
the learning system how they're related

956
00:50:16,420 --> 00:50:13,430
so it could have another unplanned

957
00:50:18,970 --> 00:50:16,430
activity those things are coming right

958
00:50:21,610 --> 00:50:18,980
now the computers are not complex enough

959
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:21,620
to do that level of abstract thinking

960
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:24,110
but it's coming so the answer right now

961
00:50:30,220 --> 00:50:27,170
is no but it will come I don't I don't

962
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:30,230
know whether it's 10 years or 40 years

963
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:32,630
Ray Kurzweil claims it's 40 years but

964
00:50:37,060 --> 00:50:34,390
but it's it's coming

965
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:37,070
Kurzweil even said it could happen as

966
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:40,490
early as 2018 he did he thought that his

967
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:43,040
latest prediction I think is too early

968
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:46,910
as his 2018 the longest is 2045 and he

969
00:50:51,460 --> 00:50:48,980
thinks it'll be before the 2020s are

970
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:51,470
over yes and that's that scares me

971
00:50:57,490 --> 00:50:55,130
because Ray Ray's a smart guy and there

972
00:51:00,670 --> 00:50:57,500
are a lot of smart intelligent people in

973
00:51:04,750 --> 00:51:00,680
the private sector that have unlimited

974
00:51:06,700 --> 00:51:04,760
funding and have been told to go and get

975
00:51:10,030 --> 00:51:06,710
this there are large corporations out

976
00:51:13,060 --> 00:51:10,040
there with with deep deep down pockets

977
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:13,070
that know that the winner of this race

978
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:14,930
is going to be the one that crosses the

979
00:51:20,980 --> 00:51:18,110
finish line with AGI in in their back

980
00:51:22,690 --> 00:51:20,990
pocket and when I think about things

981
00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:22,700
like Google it's one thing to talk about

982
00:51:29,500 --> 00:51:26,470
Virginia Tech or a government controlled

983
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:29,510
investing in research that that's one

984
00:51:34,330 --> 00:51:31,730
thing but you don't know what's going on

985
00:51:37,570 --> 00:51:34,340
privately out there with some pretty

986
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:37,580
crazy people that that are really smart

987
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:40,910
oh yeah and that is their goal to write

988
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:42,890
that they're racing against everybody

989
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:45,530
else well I mean Ray Kurzweil is

990
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,950
attached to Google and Google is doing

991
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:51,200
its own quantum computing they're also

992
00:51:59,610 --> 00:51:54,410
building the fastest hardware to do

993
00:52:02,890 --> 00:51:59,620
machine learning so a very very powerful

994
00:52:05,710 --> 00:52:02,900
well-heeled company like Google if it

995
00:52:10,030 --> 00:52:05,720
were run by bad people it might have a

996
00:52:13,930 --> 00:52:10,040
bad outcome and the the neural interface

997
00:52:17,140 --> 00:52:13,940
which which is something that DARPA is

998
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:17,150
focusing on I'm sure that Sandia is too

999
00:52:24,020 --> 00:52:18,770
as well

1000
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:24,030
so is Elon Musk this is their goal and I

1001
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:27,930
had michio kaku on the shows five years

1002
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:28,890
ago six years ago

1003
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:31,770
risa that they're already downloading at

1004
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:36,090
DARPA and that this interface was done I

1005
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,260
don't know if he was speaking with

1006
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:39,780
direct knowledge or that he heard from

1007
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:42,290
somebody but he did make the statement

1008
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,150
how close are we with this neural

1009
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:48,000
network Elon Musk said a couple what

1010
00:52:54,740 --> 00:52:51,240
last month and I know that you heard

1011
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,750
this to yourself he said man I think

1012
00:53:00,400 --> 00:52:56,700
we're a few months away of making a

1013
00:53:03,050 --> 00:53:00,410
pretty major announcement on this I

1014
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:03,060
believe that people have been working

1015
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:06,210
all over the world on figuring out how

1016
00:53:12,650 --> 00:53:09,660
to have sensors sit close to the human

1017
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:12,660
brain without without putting things

1018
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:15,090
inside the brain and reading what was

1019
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:17,990
going on the brain and then from that

1020
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:21,180
enable actions to be taken by machinery

1021
00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:25,170
the sitting on the side I don't know at

1022
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:29,430
all whether the the direction is the

1023
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:31,500
other direction works where the computer

1024
00:53:37,460 --> 00:53:34,110
can dump stuff into the brain I do not

1025
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:37,470
know that of my own knowledge is that

1026
00:53:44,180 --> 00:53:41,220
something that you would work on at at

1027
00:53:47,150 --> 00:53:44,190
the Hume Center or is this out of your

1028
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:47,160
wheelhouse okay so it's really out of

1029
00:53:52,430 --> 00:53:49,110
our wheels and I'm going to tell you why

1030
00:53:55,340 --> 00:53:52,440
because the laws about human

1031
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:55,350
experimentation would make that so

1032
00:54:00,410 --> 00:53:58,500
expensive to do at Virginia Tech the end

1033
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:00,420
the lawyers at Virginia Tech just

1034
00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:02,370
wouldn't allow us to do it so it's out

1035
00:54:08,540 --> 00:54:06,270
of our wheelhouse and what about one

1036
00:54:14,510 --> 00:54:08,550
last thing and then we go we got to hit

1037
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:14,520
a break here is the announcement of some

1038
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:17,910
of these latest swarming drones that

1039
00:54:23,570 --> 00:54:21,540
were on the verge of being deployed in

1040
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:23,580
in the Air Force where they would have a

1041
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:25,740
thousand of these mini drones attack

1042
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:28,500
drones that would fly autonomously in

1043
00:54:34,260 --> 00:54:30,670
swarms over

1044
00:54:38,130 --> 00:54:34,270
an own theater and battlefield was was

1045
00:54:40,050 --> 00:54:38,140
eminent and that was a pretty and then

1046
00:54:43,290 --> 00:54:40,060
suddenly that was about three years ago

1047
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:43,300
and then there were silence on that is

1048
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:45,130
that because the program was shut down

1049
00:54:49,980 --> 00:54:47,410
because it scared the crap out of the

1050
00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:49,990
rest of the planet or that if it is

1051
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:51,730
going to be deployed we wouldn't know

1052
00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:52,650
about it

1053
00:55:00,780 --> 00:54:57,430
okay so typically the military does not

1054
00:55:02,730 --> 00:55:00,790
tell you about deployments that are

1055
00:55:03,420 --> 00:55:02,740
things like that but as I told you

1056
00:55:06,210 --> 00:55:03,430
before

1057
00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:06,220
Virginia Tech worked on such a system

1058
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:10,230
and but its job was to provide sensors

1059
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:15,480
to look over the battlefield or the

1060
00:55:20,430 --> 00:55:17,830
situated and beneath that was walking

1061
00:55:24,810 --> 00:55:20,440
and operating and tell them what the

1062
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:24,820
situational situational environment was

1063
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:27,910
like so they could plan better be safer

1064
00:55:34,980 --> 00:55:31,210
so forth and to my knowledge that is

1065
00:55:37,530 --> 00:55:34,990
being used in tests if not in actual

1066
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:37,540
theater so that kind of work is being

1067
00:55:44,670 --> 00:55:41,520
done at Virginia Tech and we have a huge

1068
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:44,680
drone cage for those things to be

1069
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,450
trained where we learn how to do the

1070
00:55:51,180 --> 00:55:48,640
algorithms and can fly them safely and

1071
00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:51,190
they don't run into anything so also

1072
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:54,580
Virginia Tech is the home to the

1073
00:56:00,090 --> 00:55:57,430
mid-atlantic aviation partners where

1074
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:00,100
we're teaching drones how to deliver

1075
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:05,410
packages to fix the dresses and not as

1076
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:09,810
not zone it was two years ago when

1077
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:12,730
Chipotle delivered me my lunch to the

1078
00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:14,890
parking lot okay

1079
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:18,700
and so what would be the change in

1080
00:56:29,940 --> 00:56:23,610
coding to change that lunch into a

1081
00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:29,950
thermal nuclear device a weapon of some

1082
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:33,730
kind okay okay so that is being reported

1083
00:56:42,060 --> 00:56:39,040
in the news that bad guys in the Middle

1084
00:56:44,190 --> 00:56:42,070
East have done that to our troops so I

1085
00:56:47,099 --> 00:56:44,200
would have to say if those news store

1086
00:56:50,099 --> 00:56:47,109
are correct then it's already being done

1087
00:56:53,370 --> 00:56:50,109
and so they take simple things they take

1088
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:53,380
simple things like hand grenades and

1089
00:56:59,609 --> 00:56:56,760
have a wire in it and if the if the

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00:57:02,099 --> 00:56:59,619
drone drops it over the top of troops

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that the thing is actuated as the hand

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00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:04,089
grenade goes off right above the ground

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00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:08,079
so that has been in the news and if true

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00:57:12,690 --> 00:57:10,839
it's already being done let's take our

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00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:12,700
break right here our guest tonight Bob

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00:57:17,849 --> 00:57:14,710
McGuire great conversation we're gonna

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00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:17,859
pick this up when we come back and going

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back to the neural network wanted I got

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00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:24,089
to discuss downloading and uploading

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00:57:29,490 --> 00:57:27,250
your consciousness we'll be right back

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00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:29,500
more Bob McGuire after this short break

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[Music]

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00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:13,470
welcome back fade to black I miss Jimmy

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per month alright Bob now the the the

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00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:45,400
funnest debate that I hear go down with

1114
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:48,730
a physicist and and scientists and

1115
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:51,190
engineers today is the uploading and

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00:58:59,839 --> 00:58:54,640
downloading of consciousness and you

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00:59:03,660 --> 00:58:59,849
know of us and and achieving immortality

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00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:03,670
and that this was this is the future and

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00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:05,650
evitt ibly we'll get rid of our meat

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00:59:12,299 --> 00:59:09,430
sacks and we will all exist on computer

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00:59:14,370 --> 00:59:12,309
chips of some form or another the

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00:59:17,789 --> 00:59:14,380
question I have for you as we get into

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00:59:20,730 --> 00:59:17,799
this on the front side would you do it

1124
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:20,740
right that the technology is perfected

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00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:26,740
and you you can be uploaded onto a drive

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00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:31,210
do you do it so let me tell you I read

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00:59:38,010 --> 00:59:35,710
Fredrik polls the hiji saga where we

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00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:38,020
discovered this alien race that had been

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00:59:43,620 --> 00:59:41,650
all over our galaxy and we just that

1130
00:59:46,109 --> 00:59:43,630
they had these fan-like things that

1131
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:46,119
turned out to be the storage for their

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00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:49,690
Dead's consciousness and since that time

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00:59:54,450 --> 00:59:52,089
I thought it would be pretty cool when

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00:59:58,410 --> 00:59:54,460
my body's worn out if I could go into a

1135
01:00:04,700 --> 00:59:58,420
he chief an and live forever answer is

1136
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:04,710
probably I would you just got cut off

1137
01:00:15,980 --> 01:00:11,440
okay the answer is I would do Wow okay I

1138
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:19,200
officially you know I expected it to

1139
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:23,370
happen so I welcome them to our family

1140
01:00:32,490 --> 01:00:28,690
so you would do it and okay let lets

1141
01:00:35,610 --> 01:00:32,500
let's explore some of the issues here I

1142
01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:35,620
love the movie Tron as the original Tron

1143
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:40,900
I dreamt about living that existence and

1144
01:00:47,850 --> 01:00:43,450
and how cool that would be an infinite

1145
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:47,860
life of learning and just exploring but

1146
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:51,390
a few issues are raised number one if

1147
01:00:57,660 --> 01:00:55,330
you and I want to make sure that I'm

1148
01:01:01,350 --> 01:00:57,670
understanding this correctly but if you

1149
01:01:03,570 --> 01:01:01,360
upload yourself on to your member

1150
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:03,580
everything is there right the duplicate

1151
01:01:13,620 --> 01:01:08,850
of you but you are not you are still you

1152
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:13,630
you're not at that instant the new you

1153
01:01:20,940 --> 01:01:18,450
is developing its own memories and life

1154
01:01:23,750 --> 01:01:20,950
but you are not inside of the computer

1155
01:01:28,650 --> 01:01:23,760
you're still sitting in your body right

1156
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:28,660
now you're not experiencing the computer

1157
01:01:34,470 --> 01:01:31,570
world the new you is experiencing the

1158
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:34,480
computer world but you can't share that

1159
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:38,890
can you it depends on how all that works

1160
01:01:43,140 --> 01:01:40,930
but you probably could have shared

1161
01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:43,150
consciousness if you're able to move

1162
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:45,550
data back and forth you could figure out

1163
01:01:50,910 --> 01:01:47,770
how to simultaneously store memories and

1164
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:50,920
experiences in both systems would be my

1165
01:01:56,250 --> 01:01:53,440
guess and I'm certain that it would be

1166
01:01:58,050 --> 01:01:56,260
tried whether or not it would drive you

1167
01:01:59,700 --> 01:01:58,060
crazy is the thing I think we're only

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01:02:02,310 --> 01:01:59,710
going to learn with human

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01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:02,320
experimentation but I'm certain it will

1170
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:05,290
be tried so that you kind of always stay

1171
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:10,090
up-to-date we did be with you know like

1172
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:12,370
oculus or you would have some kind of VR

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01:02:20,610 --> 01:02:16,330
headset to experience the life that is

1174
01:02:27,030 --> 01:02:20,620
going on and the artificial reality that

1175
01:02:29,220 --> 01:02:27,040
AR that is being created in real time on

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01:02:32,250 --> 01:02:29,230
the chipset right you're gonna be living

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01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:32,260
in some type of reality and I'm sure be

1178
01:02:37,020 --> 01:02:34,030
like virtual reality or something like

1179
01:02:39,900 --> 01:02:37,030
it'd be like living in a simulation

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01:02:44,069 --> 01:02:39,910
with some kind of virtual reality but

1181
01:02:47,099 --> 01:02:44,079
hypothetically I could see I could see

1182
01:02:49,380 --> 01:02:47,109
you being in in that situation in one of

1183
01:02:51,420 --> 01:02:49,390
these simulations that's so perfect you

1184
01:02:53,339 --> 01:02:51,430
you wouldn't know you were a lot you

1185
01:02:54,990 --> 01:02:53,349
were not luck you were not alive you

1186
01:02:56,940 --> 01:02:55,000
would know that you were only a can you

1187
01:02:59,790 --> 01:02:56,950
would not know that you were only a

1188
01:03:02,010 --> 01:02:59,800
computer and which is the way that it

1189
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:02,020
was and if you think about it right back

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01:03:05,190 --> 01:03:04,570
in the early eighties 82 when Tron came

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01:03:08,550 --> 01:03:05,200
out

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01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:08,560
that's exactly how it was represented

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01:03:14,339 --> 01:03:12,400
they didn't know that they were computer

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01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:14,349
programs they didn't know that they were

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01:03:22,500 --> 01:03:18,609
living inside of the computer so yeah I

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01:03:25,260 --> 01:03:22,510
just I really enjoyed these flights of

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01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:25,270
fantasy in the speculation because I

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01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:27,609
don't see it happening any time soon but

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01:03:31,170 --> 01:03:29,650
I'm just going to tell you I would like

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01:03:33,390 --> 01:03:31,180
to do it and and I'll tell you why

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01:03:37,099 --> 01:03:33,400
because I don't mind telling you why is

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01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:37,109
because I could live long enough to

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01:03:42,540 --> 01:03:39,910
travel to the Stars if we don't have

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01:03:45,150 --> 01:03:42,550
warp drive because I could just go to

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01:03:47,609 --> 01:03:45,160
sleep as input my subroutine to sleep

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01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:47,619
and wake it up when I got to the place I

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01:03:53,099 --> 01:03:49,930
wanted to go and I would not have have

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01:03:56,130 --> 01:03:53,109
lost a lot of felt like I've been

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01:03:59,849 --> 01:03:56,140
traveling forever and I wouldn't need

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01:04:01,890 --> 01:03:59,859
food I wouldn't need water etc and I'd

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01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:01,900
just be able to travel and see lots of

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01:04:05,609 --> 01:04:04,060
things in the galaxy it would be it

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01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:05,619
would be pretty exciting for me to be

1214
01:04:11,609 --> 01:04:08,250
able to do that well in the other part

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01:04:15,930 --> 01:04:11,619
this is what when I'd let my fantasies

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01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:15,940
go with this idea is you may sleep and

1217
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:19,089
rest I would read every published book

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01:04:23,550 --> 01:04:21,250
known to man that's what I would do

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01:04:27,510 --> 01:04:23,560
right I would learn I take classes I

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01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:27,520
will do things yep yep and and I've got

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01:04:34,170 --> 01:04:30,010
to tell you so that's one of the major I

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01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:34,180
think pluses of this brain to computer

1223
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:38,050
interface is if it works as everyone

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01:04:42,329 --> 01:04:39,970
thinks it will work or wants to work

1225
01:04:44,339 --> 01:04:42,339
that's exactly the kind of thing you'll

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01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:44,349
be able to do is you'll be able to read

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01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:46,960
a lot and learn new skills in kind of

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01:04:53,090 --> 01:04:49,690
downloads now if we

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01:04:55,940 --> 01:04:53,100
look at this from another angle where

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01:04:59,790 --> 01:04:55,950
our planet is it's already

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01:05:01,800 --> 01:04:59,800
interconnected that part every computer

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01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:01,810
every phone everything everywhere if

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01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:04,210
it's not connected to the network it has

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01:05:14,370 --> 01:05:08,290
the ability to connect so what would

1235
01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:14,380
stop an outside influence like ET from

1236
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:16,660
tapping into our computer system and

1237
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:20,650
putting us on lockdown I can't think of

1238
01:05:24,690 --> 01:05:22,810
anything except all sorts of security

1239
01:05:25,950 --> 01:05:24,700
measures which right now we don't know

1240
01:05:28,830 --> 01:05:25,960
how to do because we don't know how to

1241
01:05:31,590 --> 01:05:28,840
download the the consciousness but we

1242
01:05:34,770 --> 01:05:31,600
better think about security because we

1243
01:05:37,410 --> 01:05:34,780
don't want bad humans or bad aliens or

1244
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:37,420
bad ultra terrestrials messing with our

1245
01:05:44,550 --> 01:05:39,250
consciousness we'd better think about

1246
01:05:48,890 --> 01:05:44,560
that the the other part to this I don't

1247
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:48,900
know if you know Greg house but Greg is

1248
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:54,490
one of the founders of anonymous and

1249
01:05:59,190 --> 01:05:56,950
very smart guy very cool guy he's been a

1250
01:06:01,560 --> 01:05:59,200
guest on the show a couple of times and

1251
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:01,570
he was on my TV show on History Channel

1252
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:03,970
and I got a chance to hang out with him

1253
01:06:11,340 --> 01:06:08,050
pretty extensively in New York and one

1254
01:06:13,340 --> 01:06:11,350
of the things that Greg said to me when

1255
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:13,350
we were talking about security and

1256
01:06:18,810 --> 01:06:16,090
access things that he was convicted of

1257
01:06:20,940 --> 01:06:18,820
you know he went to federal prison as

1258
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:20,950
well as a bunch of other members of

1259
01:06:26,300 --> 01:06:22,540
anonymous that's another story

1260
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:26,310
altogether but I asked Greg I said okay

1261
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:29,890
is there a computer system on this

1262
01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:33,610
planet that you cannot break into that

1263
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:36,070
is totally secure and his answer was

1264
01:06:42,270 --> 01:06:39,520
quick his answer was no that's correct

1265
01:06:46,070 --> 01:06:42,280
if you have if you have physical access

1266
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:46,080
to a computer you can do things to it

1267
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:48,730
it's becomes more difficult if you don't

1268
01:06:56,610 --> 01:06:52,680
have physical access but again no

1269
01:06:59,490 --> 01:06:56,620
nothing don't by human is perfect so

1270
01:07:02,850 --> 01:06:59,500
there's always flaws and typically the

1271
01:07:03,569 --> 01:07:02,860
worst thing is humans misuse their

1272
01:07:06,299 --> 01:07:03,579
technology

1273
01:07:10,469 --> 01:07:06,309
and make themselves vulnerable he said

1274
01:07:12,539 --> 01:07:10,479
to me he said that if I don't have

1275
01:07:14,279 --> 01:07:12,549
physical access then I'll get physical

1276
01:07:16,769 --> 01:07:14,289
access if that's something I have to

1277
01:07:20,150 --> 01:07:16,779
overcome and there's ways to do that but

1278
01:07:23,339 --> 01:07:20,160
but once I have physical access either

1279
01:07:25,410 --> 01:07:23,349
remotely right with the laptop or

1280
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:25,420
physically in front of the computer but

1281
01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:28,569
once I have that access less than five

1282
01:07:33,329 --> 01:07:31,630
minutes I don't know about the less than

1283
01:07:36,719 --> 01:07:33,339
five minutes but if you have physical

1284
01:07:41,459 --> 01:07:36,729
access and can operate on the innards of

1285
01:07:45,329 --> 01:07:41,469
the computer it is not secure how does

1286
01:07:48,769 --> 01:07:45,339
that scare you that that it's bothersome

1287
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:48,779
it is bothersome and one of the things

1288
01:07:59,219 --> 01:07:51,609
that I think we need to be concerned

1289
01:08:03,269 --> 01:07:59,229
about is our home networks and the

1290
01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:03,279
reason why because of the simplicity of

1291
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:04,809
the software that everything is running

1292
01:08:09,209 --> 01:08:07,450
on and I'm talking about smart anything

1293
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:09,219
right you don't have some advanced

1294
01:08:15,959 --> 01:08:11,650
computer chip in your refrigerator or

1295
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:15,969
your TV or Alexa or whatever it is your

1296
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:18,489
your thermostat your smart thermostat

1297
01:08:27,149 --> 01:08:22,839
whatever it may be it is the basic of

1298
01:08:31,050 --> 01:08:27,159
the basics and access to that I would

1299
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:31,060
think is really really simple and if

1300
01:08:36,059 --> 01:08:33,670
there was somebody that was bored or was

1301
01:08:39,329 --> 01:08:36,069
angry or was just terminated from their

1302
01:08:40,829 --> 01:08:39,339
job and wanted to shut down things they

1303
01:08:43,499 --> 01:08:40,839
actually could couldn't they they could

1304
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:43,509
wreak havoc on the country it would be

1305
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:48,130
bad if you let the bad person into these

1306
01:08:53,339 --> 01:08:50,440
systems they could really make your life

1307
01:08:56,879 --> 01:08:53,349
miserable what are we doing to prevent

1308
01:09:00,720 --> 01:08:56,889
this okay so the early versions of these

1309
01:09:06,899 --> 01:09:00,730
systems they were not as secure as they

1310
01:09:10,769 --> 01:09:06,909
should be and the so a really good thing

1311
01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:10,779
has happened at Virginia Tech was let me

1312
01:09:15,419 --> 01:09:12,310
if you don't mind me plugging is we've

1313
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,429
started the the Commonwealth cyber

1314
01:09:21,809 --> 01:09:17,440
initiative where we

1315
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,819
we are studying how to make Internet of

1316
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:23,440
Things which is the kind of things

1317
01:09:29,999 --> 01:09:27,370
you've been talking about secure against

1318
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:30,009
intrusion etc so it's gonna be an

1319
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:34,000
ongoing effort and the thing that has

1320
01:09:42,150 --> 01:09:37,600
prevented good security and a lot of

1321
01:09:46,289 --> 01:09:42,160
these devices is just exactly what you

1322
01:09:49,380 --> 01:09:46,299
expect if it costs 50 cents more they

1323
01:09:53,059 --> 01:09:49,390
prefer not to do it so we have to figure

1324
01:09:55,470 --> 01:09:53,069
out how to overcome the resistance of

1325
01:09:59,970 --> 01:09:55,480
putting good security and all these

1326
01:10:03,150 --> 01:09:59,980
devices so that they are so that the

1327
01:10:06,450 --> 01:10:03,160
bottom line isn't the only thing that is

1328
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:06,460
built into the consideration of what you

1329
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:09,310
put in a system they need to be provably

1330
01:10:14,070 --> 01:10:11,890
secure and who said who sets the

1331
01:10:15,570 --> 01:10:14,080
provably secure standards well that's

1332
01:10:18,750 --> 01:10:15,580
part of the research that's going to be

1333
01:10:22,050 --> 01:10:18,760
done at places like the the Commonwealth

1334
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:22,060
cyber initiative in Virginia or and

1335
01:10:27,209 --> 01:10:24,070
other entities like it across the

1336
01:10:31,070 --> 01:10:27,219
country and the world security of these

1337
01:10:34,850 --> 01:10:31,080
systems is paramount because we are

1338
01:10:37,770 --> 01:10:34,860
turning our lives over to these systems

1339
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:37,780
the the basic system that everything

1340
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:40,630
runs on is Android correct that's what

1341
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:42,310
that's one of the major systems and

1342
01:10:50,420 --> 01:10:43,810
Android is a big one

1343
01:10:53,220 --> 01:10:50,430
and how secure is Android I had read a

1344
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:53,230
they do security apace all the time and

1345
01:11:01,620 --> 01:10:55,330
that's not what I'm referring to I had

1346
01:11:03,450 --> 01:11:01,630
read that the systems in most smart

1347
01:11:07,260 --> 01:11:03,460
homes are using older versions of

1348
01:11:10,170 --> 01:11:07,270
Android and the firmware and those

1349
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:10,180
versions of Android are not updatable is

1350
01:11:15,090 --> 01:11:12,489
that true the songket some of these

1351
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:15,100
devices you do not have the ability to

1352
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:18,640
update the firmware and I think that

1353
01:11:24,810 --> 01:11:21,610
that's not advisable that you need to be

1354
01:11:30,060 --> 01:11:24,820
able to update them but again you don't

1355
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:30,070
want to have a bad actor be able to come

1356
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,880
in and

1357
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,280
update your firmware and do bad things

1358
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:35,679
with it so verification and validation

1359
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:40,000
are critical to not allowing that to

1360
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:42,010
happen so firmware it needs to be

1361
01:11:48,270 --> 01:11:44,710
updated and protecting the update

1362
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:48,280
process is the most important thing

1363
01:11:53,790 --> 01:11:51,250
because that is the physical access that

1364
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:53,800
you the customer are allowing to your

1365
01:11:59,220 --> 01:11:56,110
devices so you want to make sure the

1366
01:12:01,709 --> 01:11:59,230
devices have really secure update

1367
01:12:04,110 --> 01:12:01,719
mechanisms before you allow them and

1368
01:12:07,410 --> 01:12:04,120
what did we do before we switch gears

1369
01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:07,420
here and get into UFOs the video that

1370
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:09,550
circulated a couple of months ago which

1371
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:13,360
scared me to my very core I'm a parent

1372
01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:15,880
okay I'm a parent I have two beautiful

1373
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:19,440
daughters and this video surfaced of

1374
01:12:27,959 --> 01:12:24,010
somebody that got access to a baby

1375
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:27,969
monitor child walks into their bedroom

1376
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:32,290
and this guy is watching the little girl

1377
01:12:38,370 --> 01:12:36,250
and says that he is Santa Claus right

1378
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,380
and starts talking to her it says a

1379
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:40,719
couple of things you know crazy stuff

1380
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:44,850
but the point is it's about as

1381
01:12:50,689 --> 01:12:47,409
disturbing of ass it's like it's like

1382
01:12:55,919 --> 01:12:50,699
the TV show black mirror but for real

1383
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,929
and that is that is a nightmare scenario

1384
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:57,760
for every parent alright just about

1385
01:13:02,610 --> 01:12:59,679
anybody in the country that that

1386
01:13:05,939 --> 01:13:02,620
somebody could gain access to the

1387
01:13:08,669 --> 01:13:05,949
cameras inside of your home and speak to

1388
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:08,679
you or speak to your children that

1389
01:13:14,399 --> 01:13:11,440
that's a zone that we need to prevent

1390
01:13:19,979 --> 01:13:14,409
did you see the video I saw the video

1391
01:13:23,459 --> 01:13:19,989
and I agree it is very creepy so the it

1392
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:23,469
has to be the case that that these these

1393
01:13:31,939 --> 01:13:27,810
devices have very very high quality

1394
01:13:35,310 --> 01:13:31,949
encryption and very very high

1395
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:35,320
verification and validation for anyone

1396
01:13:41,340 --> 01:13:38,530
who is going to access them so you want

1397
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:41,350
to only allow access to the innards to

1398
01:13:48,410 --> 01:13:44,730
say things if it's heavily encrypted and

1399
01:13:51,260 --> 01:13:48,420
the person or other machine that's

1400
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:51,270
talking to that device has to be okayed

1401
01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:56,000
by the parents so all new systems that

1402
01:14:00,680 --> 01:13:59,130
they're come along now that we

1403
01:14:02,540 --> 01:14:00,690
understand we can do all these things

1404
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:02,550
but we've done them by the cheapest

1405
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:04,380
possible way they need to have these

1406
01:14:09,820 --> 01:14:06,930
verification validation and encryption

1407
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:09,830
systems in them as a matter of course or

1408
01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:12,360
parents and other people should not

1409
01:14:17,530 --> 01:14:15,270
allow them in their homes what do we do

1410
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:17,540
about that though I mean that's obvious

1411
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:21,090
simple advice not everybody is going to

1412
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:23,489
do that and we also expect when we

1413
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:25,980
purchase systems like this that they are

1414
01:14:31,700 --> 01:14:27,930
already secure that we don't need to

1415
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:31,710
take these extra steps right so so how

1416
01:14:36,590 --> 01:14:34,080
do we take the extra steps and get

1417
01:14:39,020 --> 01:14:36,600
people to listen or should it be built

1418
01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:39,030
in automatically and we it's just plug

1419
01:14:44,060 --> 01:14:41,430
and play and security is already there I

1420
01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:44,070
think that we should have plug and play

1421
01:14:50,090 --> 01:14:46,350
and security is already there and as

1422
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:50,100
much as this word is hated by lots of

1423
01:14:54,770 --> 01:14:52,410
people in the United States and around

1424
01:14:58,210 --> 01:14:54,780
the world I think this is going to be

1425
01:15:00,770 --> 01:14:58,220
principally done by regulation and

1426
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:00,780
whenever you have regulation of this

1427
01:15:05,420 --> 01:15:03,030
type we have to understand that there

1428
01:15:07,820 --> 01:15:05,430
are going to be bad actors that are

1429
01:15:10,430 --> 01:15:07,830
going to sell devices that violate the

1430
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:10,440
regulations but are cheaper we just have

1431
01:15:16,460 --> 01:15:12,210
to come to the place where people are

1432
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,470
educated about the safety features that

1433
01:15:21,380 --> 01:15:18,960
are built into these systems and these

1434
01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:21,390
safety features are worth the five extra

1435
01:15:25,550 --> 01:15:23,070
dollars for the device because it

1436
01:15:29,090 --> 01:15:25,560
protects your children and your home and

1437
01:15:31,970 --> 01:15:29,100
your property and your life how much

1438
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:31,980
today before we get to the top of the

1439
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:36,570
hour and we'll get to UFOs the much has

1440
01:15:43,330 --> 01:15:39,510
been made about the Patriot Act and the

1441
01:15:46,729 --> 01:15:43,340
ability for the NSA in Utah to collect

1442
01:15:49,460 --> 01:15:46,739
the phone records the phone calls the

1443
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,470
audio the text of every single

1444
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:51,600
transmission inside of the United States

1445
01:16:00,280 --> 01:15:55,280
public and private without warrant

1446
01:16:05,170 --> 01:16:00,290
then it was stated six months ago that

1447
01:16:07,810 --> 01:16:05,180
this program had stopped Hazzard has the

1448
01:16:10,030 --> 01:16:07,820
program stopped it has stopped and

1449
01:16:14,140 --> 01:16:10,040
that's because the law has not been

1450
01:16:17,470 --> 01:16:14,150
renewed and the the thing that Edward

1451
01:16:21,670 --> 01:16:17,480
Snowden reported was ended under Obama

1452
01:16:24,940 --> 01:16:21,680
and the that program that you're talking

1453
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:24,950
about is stopped for now if the Congress

1454
01:16:30,910 --> 01:16:28,490
reenable zit and and changes it anyway

1455
01:16:34,110 --> 01:16:30,920
the the intelligence community will

1456
01:16:39,580 --> 01:16:34,120
follow the law what was actually

1457
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,590
collected were they the audio right or

1458
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:41,840
the phone calls actually being recorded

1459
01:16:49,060 --> 01:16:45,650
okay so again I'm not gonna tell you

1460
01:16:51,310 --> 01:16:49,070
exactly what was recorded but because

1461
01:16:55,150 --> 01:16:51,320
that's that's covered under my security

1462
01:16:57,970 --> 01:16:55,160
ODEs and the order I do want to tell you

1463
01:17:04,570 --> 01:16:57,980
what the law is so that people

1464
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:04,580
understand a collection on a u.s. person

1465
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:07,280
is listening to the content of the

1466
01:17:15,850 --> 01:17:12,170
conversation that is forbidden by law is

1467
01:17:18,940 --> 01:17:15,860
forbidden by regulation and we need to

1468
01:17:21,460 --> 01:17:18,950
go to the right kind of court to get a

1469
01:17:24,370 --> 01:17:21,470
warrant to do it now the FISA courts

1470
01:17:27,940 --> 01:17:24,380
been a lot in the news lately but my own

1471
01:17:33,970 --> 01:17:27,950
personal experience is the FISA Court as

1472
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:33,980
done by the NSA and others is is obeyed

1473
01:17:40,030 --> 01:17:36,730
and that's because those are our

1474
01:17:44,050 --> 01:17:40,040
fundamental rights so whatever is

1475
01:17:46,930 --> 01:17:44,060
recorded it is not consumed if it's a

1476
01:17:49,570 --> 01:17:46,940
u.s. person without a warrant under the

1477
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:49,580
law if the law is violated people should

1478
01:17:56,830 --> 01:17:53,330
be punished the the way that it has

1479
01:17:59,170 --> 01:17:56,840
always been portrayed of course you know

1480
01:18:01,300 --> 01:17:59,180
by Snowden and others you know movies

1481
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:01,310
and stuff is it's a click of a mouse

1482
01:18:05,470 --> 01:18:03,770
right click of a mouse and you go to

1483
01:18:07,380 --> 01:18:05,480
your friends list and you can go to

1484
01:18:10,410 --> 01:18:07,390
spiderweb out

1485
01:18:12,900 --> 01:18:10,420
to any individual and literally click

1486
01:18:16,410 --> 01:18:12,910
and you've got all the action that you

1487
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:16,420
need right there before the funding

1488
01:18:22,670 --> 01:18:19,500
stopped the way that Edward Snowden

1489
01:18:25,530 --> 01:18:22,680
portrayed it is that what was happening

1490
01:18:27,570 --> 01:18:25,540
so that is the way Edward Snowden

1491
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:27,580
portrayed it and I'm going to leave that

1492
01:18:35,190 --> 01:18:30,400
to Edward Snowden I can tell you that

1493
01:18:39,090 --> 01:18:35,200
the Patriot Act allowed metadata to be

1494
01:18:42,180 --> 01:18:39,100
collected so that is not the actual

1495
01:18:45,390 --> 01:18:42,190
content of the transaction it is the

1496
01:18:47,790 --> 01:18:45,400
existence of the conversation and the

1497
01:18:51,180 --> 01:18:47,800
associated phone numbers was allowed to

1498
01:18:54,660 --> 01:18:51,190
be collected but again I can't target

1499
01:18:57,780 --> 01:18:54,670
you Jimmy Church for even your metadata

1500
01:19:00,300 --> 01:18:57,790
without a warrant so the system might

1501
01:19:03,450 --> 01:19:00,310
store it someplace so that if you act

1502
01:19:05,970 --> 01:19:03,460
bad I can go back in time and look at

1503
01:19:08,430 --> 01:19:05,980
your bad activities once I have the

1504
01:19:11,820 --> 01:19:08,440
warrant but if I can't look at that

1505
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:11,830
stuff without a warrant and people got

1506
01:19:17,220 --> 01:19:15,130
fired for that so occasionally a person

1507
01:19:18,990 --> 01:19:17,230
will do something wrong like they want

1508
01:19:20,910 --> 01:19:19,000
to they want to take a look at something

1509
01:19:23,670 --> 01:19:20,920
they shouldn't look at about somebody

1510
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:23,680
they know they are fired and if they've

1511
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:25,450
done it bad of a really bad thing

1512
01:19:32,100 --> 01:19:28,450
they're prosecuted so this is a this is

1513
01:19:34,530 --> 01:19:32,110
a rule about how you have to behave when

1514
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:34,540
you have access to constitutionally

1515
01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:38,050
protected data I have to be trained on

1516
01:19:44,010 --> 01:19:41,710
what the rules are four times a year if

1517
01:19:44,340 --> 01:19:44,020
I don't get that training four times a

1518
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:44,350
year

1519
01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:46,360
I can't even log into a client computer

1520
01:19:53,850 --> 01:19:51,790
or use the phone it is strictly enforced

1521
01:19:56,490 --> 01:19:53,860
and you are required to go through

1522
01:20:00,810 --> 01:19:56,500
training of what your responsibilities

1523
01:20:02,820 --> 01:20:00,820
are four times a year the the data

1524
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:02,830
collection officially stopped after the

1525
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:06,490
funding stopped six months ago a little

1526
01:20:13,260 --> 01:20:09,370
bit longer they what happened to the

1527
01:20:16,530 --> 01:20:13,270
previous correct you the the collection

1528
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,540
stopped because the law that allowed it

1529
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:18,880
expired not because the funding stopped

1530
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:19,610
yeah correct

1531
01:20:28,030 --> 01:20:22,730
correct correct it wasn't it wasn't real

1532
01:20:31,899 --> 01:20:28,040
it wasn't real but the previous data is

1533
01:20:34,450 --> 01:20:31,909
that that's not a race they still have

1534
01:20:36,910 --> 01:20:34,460
that though I don't I do not know the

1535
01:20:41,109 --> 01:20:36,920
answer to that okay I just don't know

1536
01:20:43,810 --> 01:20:41,119
your your your lawyerly skills are

1537
01:20:45,910 --> 01:20:43,820
tremendous you gotta be when you're in

1538
01:20:46,810 --> 01:20:45,920
this business because you can get in

1539
01:20:48,879 --> 01:20:46,820
real trouble

1540
01:20:53,530 --> 01:20:48,889
let's we're gonna take a break right

1541
01:20:56,740 --> 01:20:53,540
here and before we go there the interest

1542
01:21:01,780 --> 01:20:56,750
in in UFOs and you ApS and all things

1543
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:01,790
alien which is part of your work now I

1544
01:21:08,890 --> 01:21:04,190
want to know after the break when that

1545
01:21:10,570 --> 01:21:08,900
started but the the other people that

1546
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:10,580
you work for it I'm specifically talking

1547
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:12,800
about Virginia Tech in government

1548
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:16,010
contracts are they cool with it or do

1549
01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:19,730
they know or are they encouraging your

1550
01:21:26,290 --> 01:21:23,540
work in this field they are not

1551
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:26,300
encouraging it and this is an outside

1552
01:21:31,330 --> 01:21:29,600
activity that I am not hiding and they

1553
01:21:33,459 --> 01:21:31,340
almost surely know something some people

1554
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:33,469
have already said stuff to me but it's

1555
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:35,210
it's you know it's my life it's my

1556
01:21:41,020 --> 01:21:38,690
personal private business and I have not

1557
01:21:43,660 --> 01:21:41,030
lost my security clearance yes so I

1558
01:21:45,340 --> 01:21:43,670
doubt I doubt I will I doubt I will lose

1559
01:21:47,859 --> 01:21:45,350
my security clearance because I'm gonna

1560
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:47,869
behave and no one has said anything bad

1561
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:49,850
to me about it I'll give you I'll give

1562
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:54,800
you an example the the how how little

1563
01:22:00,399 --> 01:21:57,679
did impacts people now the chief

1564
01:22:03,820 --> 01:22:00,409
information officer for Hawkeye 60

1565
01:22:07,390 --> 01:22:03,830
Hawkeye 360 is on the advisory board for

1566
01:22:09,310 --> 01:22:07,400
to the stars Academy ah now we're

1567
01:22:10,899 --> 01:22:09,320
talking all right let's take a break

1568
01:22:13,300 --> 01:22:10,909
right here this is fade to black our

1569
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:13,310
guest tonight Bob Maguire what an

1570
01:22:18,810 --> 01:22:16,610
amazing conversation and wait till you

1571
01:22:20,530 --> 01:22:18,820
hear what we're gonna talk about next

1572
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:20,540
that's right

1573
01:22:23,620 --> 01:22:21,890
the search

1574
01:22:26,440 --> 01:22:23,630
that is going on in the skies above the

1575
01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:26,450
United States I'm real shimmy Church

1576
01:22:40,250 --> 01:22:28,060
we'll be right back stay with us

1577
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:42,900
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

1578
01:22:49,260 --> 01:22:46,210
Jimmy Church you can become an official

1579
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:49,270
fade or not by going to our membership

1580
01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:52,570
section at Jimmy Church radio.com become

1581
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:54,100
a game changer today

1582
01:22:58,500 --> 01:22:56,170
get those autographed shirts and hats

1583
01:23:00,540 --> 01:22:58,510
we've got some new shirt designs that

1584
01:23:03,180 --> 01:23:00,550
are coming out for you game changers and

1585
01:23:06,780 --> 01:23:03,190
you're going to be excited about those

1586
01:23:08,990 --> 01:23:06,790
and that's really cool and also we're

1587
01:23:11,820 --> 01:23:09,000
going to be kicking off something next

1588
01:23:14,580 --> 01:23:11,830
we might have it ready by this Thursday

1589
01:23:16,530 --> 01:23:14,590
and hopefully we'll be able to make

1590
01:23:18,660 --> 01:23:16,540
these announcements about a little thing

1591
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:18,670
that we're gonna be doing and promoting

1592
01:23:22,350 --> 01:23:19,810
here on fade to black

1593
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:22,360
and it's going to be really cool so get

1594
01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:24,490
ready for that too as well but visit the

1595
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:26,980
membership section at Jimmy Church

1596
01:23:35,610 --> 01:23:33,490
radio.com now Bob the and mentioning TTS

1597
01:23:37,290 --> 01:23:35,620
a it's kind of funny I don't know if

1598
01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:37,300
you're watching Twitter but the mention

1599
01:23:44,340 --> 01:23:42,340
of TTS a these days does not you don't

1600
01:23:49,140 --> 01:23:44,350
get rainbows and unicorns

1601
01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:49,150
no no you don't what an opportunity

1602
01:23:55,770 --> 01:23:51,550
wasted and we'll see hopefully the

1603
01:23:58,760 --> 01:23:55,780
future will change and and TTS a will

1604
01:24:02,730 --> 01:23:58,770
get the the train back on the tracks but

1605
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:02,740
that being said where did your interest

1606
01:24:13,820 --> 01:24:09,090
in in UFOs and and you ApS start okay so

1607
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:13,830
in when I was young I was kind of a

1608
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:17,650
nerdy geeky guy a little bit and I had

1609
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,650
telescopes and stayed out in the yard a

1610
01:24:26,370 --> 01:24:23,040
lot at night and I saw a couple of UFOs

1611
01:24:28,590 --> 01:24:26,380
when I was growing up so and then I was

1612
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:28,600
a science fiction buff for science and

1613
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,840
technology kind of guy so I've always

1614
01:24:36,450 --> 01:24:34,000
wanted to figure out how I could travel

1615
01:24:40,830 --> 01:24:36,460
to the Stars and so there's just kind of

1616
01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:40,840
been in the background then all the

1617
01:24:50,490 --> 01:24:45,220
noise began to happen starting in 2016

1618
01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:50,500
and by the time the end of 2017 came I

1619
01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:51,049
went

1620
01:24:56,799 --> 01:24:55,249
Wow the government is admitting there

1621
01:25:00,129 --> 01:24:56,809
are things that are flying in the sky

1622
01:25:04,259 --> 01:25:00,139
over ships etc and they don't know what

1623
01:25:07,329 --> 01:25:04,269
they are and that was it I said okay

1624
01:25:09,250 --> 01:25:07,339
this is something I'm know if I'm ever

1625
01:25:11,919 --> 01:25:09,260
gonna have anything to do with this but

1626
01:25:13,929 --> 01:25:11,929
I did see some UFOs when I was young and

1627
01:25:17,559 --> 01:25:13,939
I'm gonna see if I there's something I

1628
01:25:20,229 --> 01:25:17,569
can think about and I figured out that

1629
01:25:23,829 --> 01:25:20,239
Jimmy Church was worth listening to and

1630
01:25:27,489 --> 01:25:23,839
Richard Dolan was worth reading so I

1631
01:25:30,309 --> 01:25:27,499
joined the Richard Dolan membership deal

1632
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:30,319
on his website and then shortly after

1633
01:25:36,309 --> 01:25:34,159
that he opened up a forum where all of

1634
01:25:39,849 --> 01:25:36,319
the Richard Dolan members could interact

1635
01:25:43,299 --> 01:25:39,859
with each other and it filled up with

1636
01:25:46,269 --> 01:25:43,309
several hundred really interesting

1637
01:25:49,149 --> 01:25:46,279
people from all walks of life all over

1638
01:25:52,299 --> 01:25:49,159
the world all sorts of different

1639
01:25:58,989 --> 01:25:52,309
experiences from the completely strange

1640
01:26:02,589 --> 01:25:58,999
- I just saw a UFO and I met Joel Dodd

1641
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:02,599
who was also in that group and he went

1642
01:26:07,029 --> 01:26:04,369
you know there's a lot of talking here

1643
01:26:09,009 --> 01:26:07,039
there's not a lot of action and so what

1644
01:26:12,129 --> 01:26:09,019
do you think I says well you know

1645
01:26:15,309 --> 01:26:12,139
there's a deal that most people don't

1646
01:26:20,919 --> 01:26:15,319
understand and most people don't

1647
01:26:24,789 --> 01:26:20,929
actually get that technology is a thing

1648
01:26:28,359 --> 01:26:24,799
that increases in capabilities in a huge

1649
01:26:30,789 --> 01:26:28,369
rate and at the same time the price

1650
01:26:33,879 --> 01:26:30,799
falls through the floor as all these

1651
01:26:37,599 --> 01:26:33,889
capabilities go up I said we can take a

1652
01:26:42,519 --> 01:26:37,609
really small computer cook cameras to it

1653
01:26:46,089 --> 01:26:42,529
hook all sorts of other sensors and see

1654
01:26:49,689 --> 01:26:46,099
if we can't do better than just record a

1655
01:26:51,849 --> 01:26:49,699
video and that was the beginning we had

1656
01:26:55,269 --> 01:26:51,859
several people show up

1657
01:26:57,639 --> 01:26:55,279
Steve McDaniel Adam Allen other people

1658
01:27:00,819 --> 01:26:57,649
there just came come along and joined in

1659
01:27:04,899 --> 01:27:00,829
and donated their time because the

1660
01:27:07,689 --> 01:27:04,909
company UAP tracking network Inc is an

1661
01:27:11,379 --> 01:27:07,699
for profit company and we have applied

1662
01:27:12,850 --> 01:27:11,389
for a scientific research status

1663
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:12,860
nonprofit with the Internal Revenue

1664
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:16,610
Service that's called 501 C 3 so the

1665
01:27:20,860 --> 01:27:18,770
people in it are not making money what

1666
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:20,870
we're doing is trying to build sensors

1667
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:24,170
that people can deploy if they feel they

1668
01:27:30,250 --> 01:27:27,650
have UAP activity near them and it'll

1669
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:30,260
run the sensor system and gather the

1670
01:27:38,979 --> 01:27:36,770
data and like video magnetometers also

1671
01:27:41,229 --> 01:27:38,989
of all sorts of other things that we're

1672
01:27:45,490 --> 01:27:41,239
going to put the D temperatures their

1673
01:27:48,850 --> 01:27:45,500
pressures the accelerations if any kind

1674
01:27:50,830 --> 01:27:48,860
of these kind of effects happen around

1675
01:27:54,399 --> 01:27:50,840
the sensor it's going to collect all

1676
01:27:59,580 --> 01:27:54,409
that metadata and any videos and send it

1677
01:28:04,050 --> 01:27:59,590
to a cloud and it's going to filter the

1678
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:04,060
videos and other things so it does not

1679
01:28:09,459 --> 01:28:08,090
record airplanes because our planes in

1680
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:09,469
the United States and around the world

1681
01:28:14,979 --> 01:28:12,290
are now required to transmit a beacon

1682
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:14,989
which gives their tail number their

1683
01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:18,320
altitude their direction their current

1684
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:21,350
latitude and longitude so you can

1685
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:23,570
eliminate an airplane by listening to

1686
01:28:27,459 --> 01:28:25,489
these beacons and this little computer

1687
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:27,469
has a little gizmo you can just plug

1688
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:29,810
into a USB port and it'll listen to

1689
01:28:36,010 --> 01:28:31,610
these airplanes so we can exclude

1690
01:28:40,930 --> 01:28:36,020
airplanes so the the North American

1691
01:28:43,450 --> 01:28:40,940
defense group NORAD maintains the

1692
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:43,460
numbers that allow you to predict

1693
01:28:49,450 --> 01:28:46,370
satellite positions for everything in

1694
01:28:52,180 --> 01:28:49,460
orbit and you can doubt the public and

1695
01:28:54,100 --> 01:28:52,190
download these numbers so you download

1696
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:54,110
these numbers you put them on your

1697
01:28:59,950 --> 01:28:57,199
little computer and you calculate what

1698
01:29:03,160 --> 01:28:59,960
satellites are overhead and at the same

1699
01:29:05,709 --> 01:29:03,170
time compute what satellites are being

1700
01:29:07,810 --> 01:29:05,719
illuminated by the Sun and if your

1701
01:29:09,939 --> 01:29:07,820
camera is pointing at a moving object

1702
01:29:11,890 --> 01:29:09,949
and you see that it's one of these

1703
01:29:14,649 --> 01:29:11,900
satellites you don't record it and you

1704
01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:14,659
don't send it home so the computer does

1705
01:29:18,610 --> 01:29:17,270
several things if something is moving

1706
01:29:23,020 --> 01:29:18,620
and it's

1707
01:29:26,310 --> 01:29:23,030
interesting emanations magnetic field

1708
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:26,320
disturbances acceleration disturbances

1709
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:29,600
UV radiation these kinds of things we're

1710
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:32,330
going to record that video but if it

1711
01:29:37,570 --> 01:29:34,730
doesn't have these extra things but it's

1712
01:29:40,150 --> 01:29:37,580
doing something interesting in the video

1713
01:29:43,420 --> 01:29:40,160
like moving with non-ballistic motion we

1714
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:43,430
also gonna want to record it so motion

1715
01:29:47,650 --> 01:29:46,610
detection happens in the camera that's

1716
01:29:49,480 --> 01:29:47,660
not good enough

1717
01:29:51,460 --> 01:29:49,490
so we want to exclude airplanes and

1718
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:51,470
satellites and things like it but it's

1719
01:29:57,970 --> 01:29:54,130
also the case that we want to take

1720
01:30:01,540 --> 01:29:57,980
machine learning algorithms and exclude

1721
01:30:05,890 --> 01:30:01,550
things that we do not believe should be

1722
01:30:08,050 --> 01:30:05,900
recorded and sent back so right now we

1723
01:30:09,670 --> 01:30:08,060
just have the basic motion detection in

1724
01:30:12,430 --> 01:30:09,680
our system and we're going to be

1725
01:30:14,980 --> 01:30:12,440
gathering data and learning how to

1726
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:14,990
exclude things that we don't want to

1727
01:30:20,440 --> 01:30:18,130
record so this is a as I said a

1728
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:20,450
scientific research and development

1729
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:24,110
group that is doing pretty well as far

1730
01:30:28,300 --> 01:30:26,090
as compared to people things that other

1731
01:30:30,940 --> 01:30:28,310
people are doing we're getting we're

1732
01:30:33,160 --> 01:30:30,950
learning what hardware we want to

1733
01:30:35,770 --> 01:30:33,170
recommend people attach to our little

1734
01:30:37,810 --> 01:30:35,780
device and then we're going to send all

1735
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:37,820
the stuff to the cloud that's number one

1736
01:30:42,430 --> 01:30:40,130
after what do we do with the data we

1737
01:30:45,010 --> 01:30:42,440
make it available to anyone that wants

1738
01:30:49,390 --> 01:30:45,020
to do analysis on it we might do our own

1739
01:30:53,940 --> 01:30:49,400
analysis we want other people to trust

1740
01:30:57,550 --> 01:30:53,950
the data is done well enough with a

1741
01:30:59,680 --> 01:30:57,560
complete provenance lots of associated

1742
01:31:01,810 --> 01:30:59,690
metadata so they know everything about

1743
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:01,820
how it was collected and what came with

1744
01:31:08,140 --> 01:31:04,970
it so scientific research can be done on

1745
01:31:10,990 --> 01:31:08,150
this data so it's not somebody holding

1746
01:31:14,020 --> 01:31:11,000
the shaky video telephone the the

1747
01:31:17,370 --> 01:31:14,030
cameras ultimately will be pan tilt zoom

1748
01:31:21,340 --> 01:31:17,380
cameras with really good capabilities

1749
01:31:23,500 --> 01:31:21,350
low low light level capabilities able to

1750
01:31:26,110 --> 01:31:23,510
track and zoom but it'd be under the

1751
01:31:29,620 --> 01:31:26,120
control of a computer and not somebody's

1752
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:29,630
shaky hand so because we want to get

1753
01:31:35,469 --> 01:31:32,449
high quality video high quality X

1754
01:31:37,930 --> 01:31:35,479
environmental data that says things are

1755
01:31:41,410 --> 01:31:37,940
happening so I did things like read

1756
01:31:43,569 --> 01:31:41,420
strange effects from UFOs but which was

1757
01:31:47,649 --> 01:31:43,579
an ikat report that was done by gore and

1758
01:31:49,180 --> 01:31:47,659
lore for Don Quixote back in the day and

1759
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:49,190
so I said what of all these strange

1760
01:31:53,649 --> 01:31:51,050
things that are happening and other

1761
01:31:55,449 --> 01:31:53,659
documents like that and said what

1762
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:55,459
sensors are there available that would

1763
01:31:59,859 --> 01:31:57,530
sense these things and Jimmy they're

1764
01:32:02,560 --> 01:31:59,869
really cheap these sensors are really

1765
01:32:05,649 --> 01:32:02,570
cheap and you just plug them into the

1766
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:05,659
computer and they're the sensor data is

1767
01:32:08,350 --> 01:32:07,369
recorded with the video and sent home

1768
01:32:14,100 --> 01:32:08,360
for analysis

1769
01:32:16,660 --> 01:32:14,110
is there a mobile version of this so

1770
01:32:19,660 --> 01:32:16,670
right now we haven't planned the mobile

1771
01:32:21,930 --> 01:32:19,670
version but that should be in our future

1772
01:32:26,589 --> 01:32:21,940
right now we're trying to get the basic

1773
01:32:29,890 --> 01:32:26,599
system functioning the you know you and

1774
01:32:33,669 --> 01:32:29,900
I right we've got a facility that we're

1775
01:32:35,379 --> 01:32:33,679
gonna be doing some sky watching here in

1776
01:32:38,229 --> 01:32:35,389
Burbank it's beautiful up in the

1777
01:32:40,899 --> 01:32:38,239
mountains gorgeous right and so we get a

1778
01:32:43,810 --> 01:32:40,909
bunch of us together I've got my fancy

1779
01:32:46,419 --> 01:32:43,820
night-vision goggles and so do the other

1780
01:32:49,239 --> 01:32:46,429
fader knots and we're up there drinking

1781
01:32:52,469 --> 01:32:49,249
and cooking and and sky watching but

1782
01:32:56,109 --> 01:32:52,479
having you show up with this system

1783
01:32:58,419 --> 01:32:56,119
would would be the right thing to do you

1784
01:33:00,939 --> 01:32:58,429
could almost track this data in real

1785
01:33:03,459 --> 01:33:00,949
time we're looking at a bird or a

1786
01:33:05,649 --> 01:33:03,469
satellite and getting excited and you

1787
01:33:08,199 --> 01:33:05,659
could you could crush all of our

1788
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:08,209
emotions right I could crush your

1789
01:33:16,060 --> 01:33:12,050
emotions and so not available now but

1790
01:33:20,229 --> 01:33:16,070
planned for the future is these systems

1791
01:33:23,830 --> 01:33:20,239
will be controlled by your cell phone so

1792
01:33:25,810 --> 01:33:23,840
let's suppose you see an object you've

1793
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:25,820
got your system with you and you think

1794
01:33:29,890 --> 01:33:28,010
it might be interesting you could point

1795
01:33:31,569 --> 01:33:29,900
your cell phone at it and the system

1796
01:33:33,729 --> 01:33:31,579
would automatically go tracking and

1797
01:33:36,250 --> 01:33:33,739
collect data on it but it would tell you

1798
01:33:38,739 --> 01:33:36,260
I think you're an idiot or this might be

1799
01:33:41,410 --> 01:33:38,749
interesting so and it will not have a

1800
01:33:43,899 --> 01:33:41,420
shaky video so that's not available now

1801
01:33:46,090 --> 01:33:43,909
but it is planned we want these systems

1802
01:33:48,820 --> 01:33:46,100
to be controlled by handheld of

1803
01:33:51,310 --> 01:33:48,830
Isis so you get most out of them and as

1804
01:33:55,870 --> 01:33:51,320
the system collects the video it'll

1805
01:33:58,180 --> 01:33:55,880
display on your phone the magnetic part

1806
01:34:00,810 --> 01:33:58,190
though that type of anomaly are you

1807
01:34:03,010 --> 01:34:00,820
suggesting that this would have to be

1808
01:34:06,130 --> 01:34:03,020
something physical something metallic

1809
01:34:09,220 --> 01:34:06,140
something that is giving off this type

1810
01:34:12,700 --> 01:34:09,230
of data if it's if it's a if it's it if

1811
01:34:15,730 --> 01:34:12,710
it's changing dramatically the magnetic

1812
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:15,740
field that is natural to the earth so

1813
01:34:20,410 --> 01:34:18,530
that it's the deviation from the current

1814
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:20,420
magnetic field of the earth is large

1815
01:34:26,830 --> 01:34:23,120
enough that we say hey that's a strange

1816
01:34:29,500 --> 01:34:26,840
event that we want to record could you

1817
01:34:32,140 --> 01:34:29,510
get the same I you know we're getting

1818
01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:32,150
into theoretical stuff here but could

1819
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:35,510
you get the same data collection from

1820
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:39,530
something that was maybe energy related

1821
01:34:45,970 --> 01:34:42,290
oh of course you could if they're spikes

1822
01:34:48,130 --> 01:34:45,980
in in the distillate the electric

1823
01:34:52,630 --> 01:34:48,140
distribution system those kinds of

1824
01:34:55,780 --> 01:34:52,640
things can in fact influence this so you

1825
01:34:58,540 --> 01:34:55,790
want to be able again just like I told

1826
01:35:01,740 --> 01:34:58,550
you with airplanes and with satellites

1827
01:35:05,380 --> 01:35:01,750
you want to be able to exclude things

1828
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:05,390
that are not of interest so again this

1829
01:35:10,900 --> 01:35:08,000
is a learning algorithm process that has

1830
01:35:13,570 --> 01:35:10,910
to be done and do I believe it will

1831
01:35:16,330 --> 01:35:13,580
exclude every kind of noise

1832
01:35:18,340 --> 01:35:16,340
no no system is going to exclude every

1833
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:18,350
kind of noise but what we want to do is

1834
01:35:23,290 --> 01:35:21,050
exclude so much noise that we have a

1835
01:35:26,440 --> 01:35:23,300
much higher probability of getting

1836
01:35:28,900 --> 01:35:26,450
something worth looking at I have seen a

1837
01:35:30,940 --> 01:35:28,910
lot of crazy things right and you've

1838
01:35:33,100 --> 01:35:30,950
listened to this show enough I don't

1839
01:35:35,500 --> 01:35:33,110
need to go into repeat mode and discuss

1840
01:35:37,570 --> 01:35:35,510
this but know your your your the things

1841
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:37,580
you saw it Mount Adam for a while yeah

1842
01:35:45,070 --> 01:35:42,320
crazy crazy well okay so for instance is

1843
01:35:48,010 --> 01:35:45,080
there a distance factor that comes into

1844
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:48,020
play Mount Adams is 40 miles away from

1845
01:35:53,250 --> 01:35:49,850
our location that we made these

1846
01:35:57,050 --> 01:35:53,260
observations on and it this object was

1847
01:36:01,700 --> 01:35:57,060
directly north

1848
01:36:07,700 --> 01:36:01,710
the mountain not weather heading heading

1849
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:07,710
east this system would detect that okay

1850
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:09,810
so it will detect the motion of the

1851
01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:14,130
object the the object itself if it has

1852
01:36:20,630 --> 01:36:17,460
emanations in there strong enough to

1853
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:20,640
exceed our threshold we will record that

1854
01:36:25,520 --> 01:36:23,130
data with it so we're going to be

1855
01:36:28,340 --> 01:36:25,530
looking for strange radio signals

1856
01:36:30,590 --> 01:36:28,350
strange magnetic anomalies strange

1857
01:36:32,660 --> 01:36:30,600
acceleration anomalies and if they

1858
01:36:35,090 --> 01:36:32,670
exceed a threshold we're going to record

1859
01:36:37,970 --> 01:36:35,100
it but that something as far away as

1860
01:36:39,470 --> 01:36:37,980
that may or may not you have one of

1861
01:36:44,930 --> 01:36:39,480
these emanations that exceeds a

1862
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:44,940
threshold what about size and mass so

1863
01:36:52,820 --> 01:36:48,890
the size and mass of the object so it it

1864
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:52,830
so okay look look you know and you know

1865
01:36:57,260 --> 01:36:54,690
as well as I do that we don't know how

1866
01:37:01,400 --> 01:36:57,270
these things operate we don't know what

1867
01:37:05,530 --> 01:37:01,410
their propulsion is so but we see them

1868
01:37:08,900 --> 01:37:05,540
do we see reports of them giving off

1869
01:37:11,870 --> 01:37:08,910
glowing energy and those those glowing

1870
01:37:14,060 --> 01:37:11,880
that glowing energy is an emanation that

1871
01:37:17,420 --> 01:37:14,070
we hope we would be able to sense and

1872
01:37:19,460 --> 01:37:17,430
again there's so little data collected

1873
01:37:21,770 --> 01:37:19,470
on this right now I can't give you a

1874
01:37:24,170 --> 01:37:21,780
definitive answer as to whether or not

1875
01:37:26,630 --> 01:37:24,180
any of my sensors will actually detect

1876
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:26,640
it but that's part of a learning process

1877
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:29,760
what sensors do I need to show that this

1878
01:37:35,480 --> 01:37:31,890
is an object that's doing something

1879
01:37:38,620 --> 01:37:35,490
strange and we want to record it and now

1880
01:37:42,410 --> 01:37:38,630
the next part and certainly with your

1881
01:37:44,180 --> 01:37:42,420
experience with Hawkeye 360 and systems

1882
01:37:48,310 --> 01:37:44,190
like that that are integrated in

1883
01:37:52,130 --> 01:37:48,320
positions will you be able to get

1884
01:37:55,970 --> 01:37:52,140
coordinates and extract those okay so if

1885
01:37:58,910 --> 01:37:55,980
you had two of these systems and two of

1886
01:38:03,080 --> 01:37:58,920
them track the object then you're gonna

1887
01:38:07,370 --> 01:38:03,090
have you could use the parallax you can

1888
01:38:10,670 --> 01:38:07,380
see the azimuth elevation of these of

1889
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:10,680
the cameras and say these two cameras

1890
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:13,290
the lines from the lens to the object

1891
01:38:19,780 --> 01:38:17,130
crosses way out there and you'll be able

1892
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:19,790
to say something about the distance

1893
01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:22,800
how are you locking the two systems

1894
01:38:26,780 --> 01:38:24,540
together but that's what you would have

1895
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:26,790
to do that's how GPS works right yeah

1896
01:38:32,510 --> 01:38:30,930
okay so yeah and you gave the answer so

1897
01:38:34,580 --> 01:38:32,520
both of these sis

1898
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:34,590
all of these systems are going to have a

1899
01:38:43,550 --> 01:38:40,080
GPS system in them so the the data

1900
01:38:47,210 --> 01:38:43,560
that's being collected is time-stamped

1901
01:38:49,460 --> 01:38:47,220
so that the timestamp will tell you that

1902
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:49,470
these two systems are recording data at

1903
01:38:55,700 --> 01:38:52,650
the same time and there's a tick mark at

1904
01:38:58,400 --> 01:38:55,710
the second and that as the data is

1905
01:39:01,490 --> 01:38:58,410
collected you will see these second

1906
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:01,500
marks that are on the data and you'll be

1907
01:39:06,860 --> 01:39:04,530
able to tell what time it is for the

1908
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:06,870
data on each of the systems and that's

1909
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:11,330
how you would align them and how quick

1910
01:39:17,660 --> 01:39:15,360
how quick is the response time okay so

1911
01:39:21,290 --> 01:39:17,670
we did that's a very good question

1912
01:39:24,770 --> 01:39:21,300
okay so right now we're considering

1913
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:24,780
three different cameras and there

1914
01:39:30,650 --> 01:39:28,050
there's inexpensive and about of that I

1915
01:39:32,630 --> 01:39:30,660
don't mean $20 I mean a couple of

1916
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:32,640
hundred dollars up to really expensive

1917
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:36,450
over a thousand dollars the the over a

1918
01:39:43,820 --> 01:39:39,440
thousand dollar one it really moves the

1919
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:43,830
camera fast I mean really fast the the

1920
01:39:48,410 --> 01:39:46,170
the the least expensive one

1921
01:39:50,740 --> 01:39:48,420
it moves it pretty good it can swing all

1922
01:39:54,410 --> 01:39:50,750
the way around in a couple of seconds

1923
01:39:58,670 --> 01:39:54,420
it's it that would be the most important

1924
01:40:00,920 --> 01:39:58,680
thing and the reason why I ask is when

1925
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:00,930
somebody sees something the first

1926
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,970
question I have is did you take a

1927
01:40:10,130 --> 01:40:05,280
picture I don't know how many sightings

1928
01:40:12,770 --> 01:40:10,140
I have had that lasted a second right or

1929
01:40:15,290 --> 01:40:12,780
two you don't have time to take out your

1930
01:40:17,270 --> 01:40:15,300
your cell phone or react and click on

1931
01:40:19,430 --> 01:40:17,280
camera point the objects going to be

1932
01:40:22,780 --> 01:40:19,440
gone you're also caught up in the moment

1933
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:22,790
so you would have to

1934
01:40:29,650 --> 01:40:27,170
have a system for it for example Bob we

1935
01:40:33,180 --> 01:40:29,660
were where I've got a couple hundred

1936
01:40:36,730 --> 01:40:33,190
people were out sky watching and up

1937
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:36,740
above us and it was large it took up a

1938
01:40:44,490 --> 01:40:41,570
big section of the sky and it was some

1939
01:40:48,670 --> 01:40:44,500
type of it was I I describe it as

1940
01:40:51,940 --> 01:40:48,680
aquamarine that was bluish green in

1941
01:40:55,780 --> 01:40:51,950
color powered-up went across the sky and

1942
01:40:59,110 --> 01:40:55,790
carved a giant backwards Z going from

1943
01:41:02,950 --> 01:40:59,120
right to left so imagine doing a

1944
01:41:07,630 --> 01:41:02,960
backward Z right right across from right

1945
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:07,640
to left it lasted about I don't know a

1946
01:41:14,500 --> 01:41:13,280
second right a second and a half so let

1947
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:14,510
me tell you let me tell you where we're

1948
01:41:21,940 --> 01:41:17,600
going with this so these systems we want

1949
01:41:26,290 --> 01:41:21,950
to deploy ultimately we will have on the

1950
01:41:29,260 --> 01:41:26,300
end game two cameras and one of them is

1951
01:41:31,420 --> 01:41:29,270
this fancy pan tilt zoom camera where

1952
01:41:34,450 --> 01:41:31,430
you can point it at the object zoom in

1953
01:41:37,780 --> 01:41:34,460
and I'll get it get a good good view of

1954
01:41:40,900 --> 01:41:37,790
it the other one is a fisheye and the

1955
01:41:43,060 --> 01:41:40,910
fisheye will see all sky and so it will

1956
01:41:45,790 --> 01:41:43,070
be able to give rough coordinates for

1957
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:45,800
the pan tilt zoom to look okay and very

1958
01:41:50,410 --> 01:41:48,290
quickly spin around and look once the

1959
01:41:53,020 --> 01:41:50,420
eye fish eye sees something it will

1960
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:53,030
compute where the pan tilt zoom should

1961
01:41:57,730 --> 01:41:55,370
look now we're not doing that on day one

1962
01:42:00,760 --> 01:41:57,740
we're just building the system up piece

1963
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:00,770
by piece but the ultimate system will

1964
01:42:05,350 --> 01:42:03,050
have the ability to look at all sky and

1965
01:42:08,050 --> 01:42:05,360
find things that are bright or large or

1966
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:08,060
moving and then tell the other camera

1967
01:42:12,180 --> 01:42:10,400
point over here please then zoom and get

1968
01:42:16,180 --> 01:42:12,190
there in less than half a second

1969
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:16,190
so this has been thought off but it's

1970
01:42:22,270 --> 01:42:18,170
just an incremental thing to add it and

1971
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:22,280
the way we're building the system is you

1972
01:42:27,580 --> 01:42:25,250
can plug in new capabilities and it'll

1973
01:42:29,770 --> 01:42:27,590
automatically begin to use them but

1974
01:42:32,850 --> 01:42:29,780
it'll work to the best of its ability

1975
01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:32,860
without the capability so it's it's

1976
01:42:40,050 --> 01:42:36,190
upgradable dynamically

1977
01:42:42,690 --> 01:42:40,060
and what about locking on to and

1978
01:42:45,930 --> 01:42:42,700
certainly if you were communicating back

1979
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:45,940
to NORAD or other systems what if you

1980
01:42:51,930 --> 01:42:47,770
locked on to a plane that didn't have a

1981
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:51,940
tail number right if you lock on to a

1982
01:42:55,770 --> 01:42:53,530
plane that doesn't have a tail number

1983
01:42:59,640 --> 01:42:55,780
send it so we can identify which

1984
01:43:03,510 --> 01:42:59,650
military vehicle is you know what I mean

1985
01:43:08,210 --> 01:43:03,520
what if we you know our amateur you ap

1986
01:43:10,590 --> 01:43:08,220
crew is now has the ability to lock on

1987
01:43:14,070 --> 01:43:10,600
to something we're not supposed to lock

1988
01:43:15,810 --> 01:43:14,080
on to like the x-37b for instance yeah I

1989
01:43:18,450 --> 01:43:15,820
want to go out with Jim Goodall and see

1990
01:43:19,860 --> 01:43:18,460
what he can tell me to look at yeah I'm

1991
01:43:23,430 --> 01:43:19,870
totally with you on that I'm totally

1992
01:43:26,460 --> 01:43:23,440
with you on that and now what about the

1993
01:43:29,480 --> 01:43:26,470
difference between normal optics and of

1994
01:43:33,330 --> 01:43:29,490
course night vision and and tube pickup

1995
01:43:36,150 --> 01:43:33,340
yep so the the cameras that we are

1996
01:43:40,440 --> 01:43:36,160
considering or have very low light

1997
01:43:44,010 --> 01:43:40,450
capability they are not going to show up

1998
01:43:47,190 --> 01:43:44,020
much except a bright object if it's no

1999
01:43:48,930 --> 01:43:47,200
moon in the sky initially because we're

2000
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:48,940
gonna we're gonna initially deploy these

2001
01:43:54,180 --> 01:43:50,800
things with not the greatest

2002
01:43:56,820 --> 01:43:54,190
night-vision cameras realizing that the

2003
01:43:59,460 --> 01:43:56,830
ultimate goal is to find the right

2004
01:44:05,070 --> 01:43:59,470
camera that will work well at night so

2005
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:05,080
I'm evaluate evaluating a camera which

2006
01:44:13,860 --> 01:44:08,770
has a dot triple zero one Lux capability

2007
01:44:17,700 --> 01:44:13,870
so it'll work pretty dark and it's it's

2008
01:44:19,890 --> 01:44:17,710
imported from aliexpress and when it

2009
01:44:22,890 --> 01:44:19,900
arrives I'll evaluate it but right now

2010
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:22,900
we're not going to suggest that camera

2011
01:44:27,390 --> 01:44:25,090
because we're gonna have to actually

2012
01:44:30,480 --> 01:44:27,400
build the apparatus that content

2013
01:44:32,550 --> 01:44:30,490
it sits in so the lens screws in but

2014
01:44:33,960 --> 01:44:32,560
then all the electronics is naked we

2015
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:33,970
have to figure out how to package it

2016
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:37,050
after we evaluate it did you say a

2017
01:44:45,090 --> 01:44:41,550
Chinese camera yeah from Aliexpress yeah

2018
01:44:49,700 --> 01:44:45,100
really I'm not gonna take it in to NSA

2019
01:44:53,390 --> 01:44:49,710
I'm gonna leave it outside really

2020
01:44:55,940 --> 01:44:53,400
I'm gonna leave it outside yeah let me

2021
01:44:58,970 --> 01:44:55,950
ask you this Jim what electronic device

2022
01:45:02,320 --> 01:44:58,980
do you have that does not have Chinese

2023
01:45:07,390 --> 01:45:02,330
components in it yeah the answer is none

2024
01:45:09,500 --> 01:45:07,400
exactly yeah yeah I realize that the

2025
01:45:11,420 --> 01:45:09,510
when we come back we're gonna head to

2026
01:45:14,330 --> 01:45:11,430
overtime everybody they're already

2027
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:14,340
asking Bob in Twitter Oh somebody said

2028
01:45:23,150 --> 01:45:21,450
is Bob creeping in Twitter tonight you

2029
01:45:26,420 --> 01:45:23,160
thought I don't follow up you know what

2030
01:45:28,520 --> 01:45:26,430
you should say is yeah I'm always in

2031
01:45:30,350 --> 01:45:28,530
Twitter but I don't use my real name and

2032
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:30,360
just freaked everybody out that's what

2033
01:45:34,570 --> 01:45:30,930
they do

2034
01:45:39,050 --> 01:45:34,580
they've already seen the creepy tonight

2035
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:39,060
the the other part of this Bob which is

2036
01:45:46,940 --> 01:45:44,489
the reality is suppose everything runs

2037
01:45:49,970 --> 01:45:46,950
great with you aptn right okay

2038
01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:49,980
everything is is is operating do you

2039
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:52,170
anticipate being approached by the

2040
01:45:58,040 --> 01:45:55,530
Department of Defense not only for your

2041
01:46:01,280 --> 01:45:58,050
data collection but maybe for assistance

2042
01:46:04,190 --> 01:46:01,290
in in tracking some of these you ApS

2043
01:46:05,990 --> 01:46:04,200
okay so that's a very good question and

2044
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:06,000
I'm going to tell you how we addressed

2045
01:46:13,490 --> 01:46:09,690
it as a group before we are making all

2046
01:46:17,630 --> 01:46:13,500
the software open source and the

2047
01:46:19,700 --> 01:46:17,640
hardware is open specification and we're

2048
01:46:22,729 --> 01:46:19,710
going to give you a hardware list and

2049
01:46:26,630 --> 01:46:22,739
tell you how to order it so if the

2050
01:46:29,180 --> 01:46:26,640
entity that wants the wants our software

2051
01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:29,190
and hardware they can just go copy it

2052
01:46:36,140 --> 01:46:31,850
because we're giving it away for free

2053
01:46:38,150 --> 01:46:36,150
and if they need our expertise then they

2054
01:46:40,610 --> 01:46:38,160
will have to approach the individuals

2055
01:46:42,979 --> 01:46:40,620
make them a consultant or something like

2056
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:42,989
that but the but the corporation is

2057
01:46:49,370 --> 01:46:46,410
going to be an open-source entity do you

2058
01:46:51,260 --> 01:46:49,380
anticipate being contacted I wouldn't

2059
01:46:53,930 --> 01:46:51,270
doubt it apparently other people have

2060
01:46:57,320 --> 01:46:53,940
been contacted I have not been contacted

2061
01:47:00,229 --> 01:46:57,330
yet but it is it is a thing that could

2062
01:47:01,610 --> 01:47:00,239
happen well let's let's take her next to

2063
01:47:02,859 --> 01:47:01,620
break right here and we're gonna head

2064
01:47:05,410 --> 01:47:02,869
straight into over

2065
01:47:09,490 --> 01:47:05,420
and the conversation is going to shift

2066
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:09,500
gears a little bit because we need to we

2067
01:47:15,220 --> 01:47:12,770
got to talk about all things UFOs and I

2068
01:47:16,899 --> 01:47:15,230
got to know what makes Bob tick so we're

2069
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:16,909
gonna do all of that when we come back

2070
01:47:20,890 --> 01:47:18,110
this is fade to black

2071
01:47:23,229 --> 01:47:20,900
over time with Bob Maguire after this

2072
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:23,239
short break stay with us on the game

2073
01:47:27,610 --> 01:47:27,050
changer network and kgr a the planet be

2074
01:47:39,420 --> 01:47:27,620
right back

2075
01:47:42,940 --> 01:47:41,560
welcome back pay the black army will

2076
01:47:45,460 --> 01:47:42,950
soon be church I guess and I found the

2077
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,470
Dwyer heading into overtime on the

2078
01:47:49,030 --> 01:47:47,600
game-changer networks and kgr ain't a

2079
01:47:52,870 --> 01:47:49,040
planet you can follow me on Twitter

2080
01:47:54,700 --> 01:47:52,880
that's simple @j church radio and Bob's

2081
01:47:58,710 --> 01:47:54,710
gonna do the big disclosure now Bob

2082
01:48:02,620 --> 01:47:58,720
what's your Twitter Bob Maguire

2083
01:48:04,570 --> 01:48:02,630
underscore in for hy there you go and

2084
01:48:08,170 --> 01:48:04,580
we'll pop it up there on Twitter right

2085
01:48:10,930 --> 01:48:08,180
now in the feed and so everybody go and

2086
01:48:15,580 --> 01:48:10,940
follow Bob and I like saying that go and

2087
01:48:18,700 --> 01:48:15,590
follow Bob Bob Bob alright Bob this is

2088
01:48:23,740 --> 01:48:18,710
the thing and I think everybody wants to

2089
01:48:25,390 --> 01:48:23,750
know have you experienced something that

2090
01:48:28,750 --> 01:48:25,400
you can't explain

2091
01:48:33,220 --> 01:48:28,760
and you're trying to figure that out the

2092
01:48:37,330 --> 01:48:33,230
answer is yes your guest last night

2093
01:48:41,050 --> 01:48:37,340
certainly gave you the big hint so okay

2094
01:48:44,670 --> 01:48:41,060
we're talking about Kris blood so yes we

2095
01:48:49,060 --> 01:48:44,680
are we're talking about Kris Bledsoe so

2096
01:48:50,980 --> 01:48:49,070
while a member the Richard Dolan forum

2097
01:48:53,050 --> 01:48:50,990
Richard announced that he was going to

2098
01:48:56,050 --> 01:48:53,060
be doing an interview series with Kris

2099
01:48:59,470 --> 01:48:56,060
and as a member of that forum you get to

2100
01:49:02,440 --> 01:48:59,480
see all these interviews before the

2101
01:49:04,750 --> 01:49:02,450
public so I saw a couple of the

2102
01:49:08,050 --> 01:49:04,760
interviews and I researched Chris's

2103
01:49:08,710 --> 01:49:08,060
history and went wow this is really

2104
01:49:11,550 --> 01:49:08,720
interesting

2105
01:49:16,170 --> 01:49:11,560
and if I'm interpreting this correctly a

2106
01:49:21,700 --> 01:49:16,180
Kris almost sees these things on demand

2107
01:49:23,620 --> 01:49:21,710
so I wrote him an email might have been

2108
01:49:26,110 --> 01:49:23,630
a Facebook message but whatever it was I

2109
01:49:29,710 --> 01:49:26,120
wrote in and I said look Chris I'm on

2110
01:49:32,980 --> 01:49:29,720
the faculty at Virginia Tech and I know

2111
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:32,990
that you don't allow anybody around much

2112
01:49:37,090 --> 01:49:34,850
anymore but I wonder if you would

2113
01:49:40,930 --> 01:49:37,100
consider allowing my wife and I to come

2114
01:49:43,720 --> 01:49:40,940
over and visit for a couple of days and

2115
01:49:46,570 --> 01:49:43,730
talk to you about your experiences and

2116
01:49:49,090 --> 01:49:46,580
if possible maybe we can see if we can

2117
01:49:52,450 --> 01:49:49,100
go do some sky watching and he thought

2118
01:49:56,860 --> 01:49:52,460
about it for a couple of weeks and

2119
01:49:58,870 --> 01:49:56,870
I believe he probably interacted he with

2120
01:50:02,290 --> 01:49:58,880
the with whatever it is he's

2121
01:50:04,900 --> 01:50:02,300
experiencing and the way he told me was

2122
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:04,910
he interacted with whatever this thing

2123
01:50:13,090 --> 01:50:10,610
is in a very large up orb appeared over

2124
01:50:15,700 --> 01:50:13,100
him and that's kind of his on-off signal

2125
01:50:18,250 --> 01:50:15,710
if the orb shows up he thinks it's okay

2126
01:50:20,290 --> 01:50:18,260
so he wrote me back and said sure you

2127
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:20,300
can come over and I says well look it's

2128
01:50:25,300 --> 01:50:22,250
almost Christmas let's cut let's happen

2129
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:25,310
let me let's come after the new year so

2130
01:50:31,209 --> 01:50:27,530
my wife and I went over and visited in

2131
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:31,219
January and it was rainy for a couple of

2132
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,530
days so we sat around and got to know

2133
01:50:38,080 --> 01:50:35,360
each other and he told me a lot about

2134
01:50:41,470 --> 01:50:38,090
his experiences and like anybody else in

2135
01:50:44,260 --> 01:50:41,480
that situation he was very generous and

2136
01:50:47,380 --> 01:50:44,270
I asked a million questions just like

2137
01:50:48,900 --> 01:50:47,390
anybody would do some of my questions

2138
01:50:51,100 --> 01:50:48,910
he noticed we're a little more

2139
01:50:53,860 --> 01:50:51,110
penetrating and a little closer to the

2140
01:50:59,640 --> 01:50:53,870
mark because I knew some of the people

2141
01:51:02,890 --> 01:50:59,650
he had interacted with professionally so

2142
01:51:06,220 --> 01:51:02,900
we did that for a couple of days I got

2143
01:51:13,959 --> 01:51:06,230
to learn a lot about him by at that time

2144
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:13,969
you aptn had not been formed so so I we

2145
01:51:21,130 --> 01:51:16,960
we got a clear night and we went outside

2146
01:51:24,910 --> 01:51:21,140
Chris and his son Ryan and I went

2147
01:51:27,190 --> 01:51:24,920
outside and we did sky watching and we

2148
01:51:29,260 --> 01:51:27,200
were looking all around us to see

2149
01:51:35,140 --> 01:51:29,270
whatever we could see and all of a

2150
01:51:38,380 --> 01:51:35,150
sudden a very large orb but popped into

2151
01:51:41,140 --> 01:51:38,390
existence and it was extremely bright it

2152
01:51:42,700 --> 01:51:41,150
was much brighter than Venus it's not as

2153
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:42,710
bright as the moon but brighter than

2154
01:51:49,209 --> 01:51:44,930
Venus and and it you could tell that it

2155
01:51:51,070 --> 01:51:49,219
was not a star it had it had it had a

2156
01:51:53,650 --> 01:51:51,080
diameter that you could you could see I

2157
01:51:56,320 --> 01:51:53,660
couldn't tell how far away it was and I

2158
01:52:01,320 --> 01:51:56,330
was kind of excited as you can imagine

2159
01:52:04,630 --> 01:52:01,330
and it flew across the sky it did

2160
01:52:06,399 --> 01:52:04,640
non-ballistic motion that means it made

2161
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:06,409
impossible turn

2162
01:52:11,229 --> 01:52:09,170
and impossible accelerations and then

2163
01:52:13,330 --> 01:52:11,239
drifted off to the north and slowly

2164
01:52:16,030 --> 01:52:13,340
faded out I went wow that was

2165
01:52:18,250 --> 01:52:16,040
interesting I says I need to figure out

2166
01:52:20,350 --> 01:52:18,260
whether or not that's the satellite I

2167
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:20,360
said I don't think it's a satellite but

2168
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:22,130
I need to figure out whether or not it

2169
01:52:25,209 --> 01:52:24,290
is and later on I did it and that's part

2170
01:52:27,729 --> 01:52:25,219
of the reason we're putting this

2171
01:52:30,580 --> 01:52:27,739
satellite thing in the system so then we

2172
01:52:34,510 --> 01:52:30,590
waited around and another one almost in

2173
01:52:38,979 --> 01:52:34,520
exactly the same place it flared up flew

2174
01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:38,989
over changed colors moved strangely you

2175
01:52:43,629 --> 01:52:40,850
could see something that looked like it

2176
01:52:45,669 --> 01:52:43,639
was spinning really quickly or because

2177
01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:45,679
it was rotating look like it was

2178
01:52:51,100 --> 01:52:48,260
rotating really fast moved across and

2179
01:52:55,240 --> 01:52:51,110
then slowly faded out and I went wow

2180
01:52:57,459 --> 01:52:55,250
that was interesting and Ryan got that

2181
01:53:00,399 --> 01:52:57,469
it was it was through the trees but Ryan

2182
01:53:02,260 --> 01:53:00,409
got it on his phone and I did not

2183
01:53:04,689 --> 01:53:02,270
attempt to take the photo because I was

2184
01:53:07,810 --> 01:53:04,699
determined just to take in everything I

2185
01:53:09,490 --> 01:53:07,820
could to decide whether or not it would

2186
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:09,500
be worth trying to do something

2187
01:53:19,149 --> 01:53:14,570
technical and we continued to watch and

2188
01:53:21,580 --> 01:53:19,159
I noticed that there were things up in

2189
01:53:24,220 --> 01:53:21,590
the trees that look like they were

2190
01:53:26,200 --> 01:53:24,230
flashing like you might see fireflies

2191
01:53:28,660 --> 01:53:26,210
except it's the winter so there were no

2192
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:28,670
fireflies but it was popping like like

2193
01:53:34,390 --> 01:53:31,010
little flash bulbs right and I went and

2194
01:53:36,220 --> 01:53:34,400
am I seeing that I said I just can't

2195
01:53:38,890 --> 01:53:36,230
figure out what I'm actually seeing that

2196
01:53:42,580 --> 01:53:38,900
or whether I'm excited and imagining it

2197
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:42,590
and look Chris claims they can read your

2198
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:44,330
mind so maybe they were reading my mind

2199
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:49,130
so they literally left the trees went up

2200
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:52,010
in the sky where it was clear and about

2201
01:53:58,030 --> 01:53:54,650
a hundred flash bulbs went off over the

2202
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:58,040
next 15 minutes I was convinced then

2203
01:54:05,470 --> 01:54:01,360
that they were not fireflies okay so

2204
01:54:09,550 --> 01:54:05,480
that was stopped and it didn't didn't go

2205
01:54:12,879 --> 01:54:09,560
on any more we looked around and chris

2206
01:54:14,649 --> 01:54:12,889
has a problem seeing at night he's had

2207
01:54:16,330 --> 01:54:14,659
lens replacements this is his private

2208
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:16,340
information but it's relevant to the

2209
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:19,040
story and he won't mind me telling it so

2210
01:54:24,510 --> 01:54:20,320
he was not

2211
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:24,520
keep up so I was looking up and because

2212
01:54:29,959 --> 01:54:26,320
I wanted to see something else pop up

2213
01:54:35,399 --> 01:54:29,969
there and I saw what looked like a

2214
01:54:38,700 --> 01:54:35,409
purple glowing cloud a few feet above

2215
01:54:41,819 --> 01:54:38,710
the trees and you kind of went over over

2216
01:54:43,800 --> 01:54:41,829
us and just hung there and I didn't say

2217
01:54:47,069 --> 01:54:43,810
anything to Chris because I was you know

2218
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:47,079
a little bit shocked little doubting but

2219
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:48,610
I kept looking at it and it looked like

2220
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:53,010
it had waves in it like it was wavy and

2221
01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:55,690
Chris made a noise about oh I think

2222
01:55:00,810 --> 01:54:58,210
they're here and I had not said a thing

2223
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:00,820
to Chris so I sat there and looked I

2224
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:03,610
just looked silently and suddenly the

2225
01:55:09,479 --> 01:55:06,400
purple thing winked out and instantly

2226
01:55:12,479 --> 01:55:09,489
Chris said oh they're gone and I got to

2227
01:55:16,050 --> 01:55:12,489
tell you for a hard-nosed scientist that

2228
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:16,060
was quite a night of an experience Chris

2229
01:55:23,010 --> 01:55:18,960
sent me some of the videos with you and

2230
01:55:24,930 --> 01:55:23,020
that I believe the purple one that

2231
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:24,940
you're talking about I have it right and

2232
01:55:30,660 --> 01:55:28,570
and that's and I've seen some crazy

2233
01:55:32,970 --> 01:55:30,670
stuff I want to use some other colorful

2234
01:55:35,850 --> 01:55:32,980
language right now Bob but anyway I've

2235
01:55:43,410 --> 01:55:35,860
seen some crazy stuff mostly that's

2236
01:55:46,319 --> 01:55:43,420
green that's a crazy video and the the

2237
01:55:50,359 --> 01:55:46,329
shimmering video I'm sure that you were

2238
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:50,369
there because Chris said in his

2239
01:55:58,100 --> 01:55:52,690
communication with me said this is

2240
01:56:02,370 --> 01:55:58,110
something that Bob will I think testify

2241
01:56:04,919 --> 01:56:02,380
testify and I have a hard time

2242
01:56:08,899 --> 01:56:04,929
explaining that away in my mind and I'm

2243
01:56:10,740 --> 01:56:08,909
just looking at the video for you so I

2244
01:56:14,339 --> 01:56:10,750
want to make sure we're talking about

2245
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:14,349
the same thing is it a spherical orb in

2246
01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:16,090
the center of the video and the little

2247
01:56:23,609 --> 01:56:20,650
fingers keep on yes yes yes that was a

2248
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:23,619
video that was a video that was taken by

2249
01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:28,050
Chris I was not present but they're the

2250
01:56:34,050 --> 01:56:32,050
raw original video this thing moves

2251
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:34,060
across the sky and

2252
01:56:37,530 --> 01:56:36,490
does his best to keep it in the center

2253
01:56:41,010 --> 01:56:37,540
of his cellphone

2254
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:41,020
Joe wolf Dodd took that original video

2255
01:56:48,270 --> 01:56:45,010
and he used a fancy Adobe tool and this

2256
01:56:49,650 --> 01:56:48,280
Adobe tool took the video put the thing

2257
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:49,660
in the center of the screen and

2258
01:56:55,050 --> 01:56:52,330
stabilized it so all of it all of

2259
01:56:58,470 --> 01:56:55,060
Krista's shaky hand motions were removed

2260
01:57:02,280 --> 01:56:58,480
and the thing is centered and the thing

2261
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:02,290
is in focus you can look at it yeah it's

2262
01:57:07,470 --> 01:57:05,440
pretty no flash there's no flash it's in

2263
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:07,480
focus these little fingers pop out of

2264
01:57:14,370 --> 01:57:10,690
its like juice yes like Tesla coil

2265
01:57:18,150 --> 01:57:14,380
action you see something that looks like

2266
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:18,160
a porthole open in the center of it for

2267
01:57:25,230 --> 01:57:21,040
just a second and that of that video is

2268
01:57:28,590 --> 01:57:25,240
amazing it is not done with flash so it

2269
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:28,600
is not dust and out of focus and you can

2270
01:57:33,090 --> 01:57:30,490
tell it's not out of focus because all

2271
01:57:35,430 --> 01:57:33,100
the things that are on the surface are

2272
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:35,440
crisp and these little fingers that keep

2273
01:57:40,770 --> 01:57:37,810
popping out of it are clearly in focus

2274
01:57:43,380 --> 01:57:40,780
so I have no clue what that is yeah

2275
01:57:48,060 --> 01:57:43,390
those fingers when they jump out it kind

2276
01:57:53,250 --> 01:57:48,070
of scares you like what in the you're

2277
01:57:56,250 --> 01:57:53,260
not expecting it but but for you after a

2278
01:57:58,040 --> 01:57:56,260
night like this experiencing this for

2279
01:58:01,740 --> 01:57:58,050
the first time paradigm shift

2280
01:58:05,490 --> 01:58:01,750
life-changing moment yes life-changing

2281
01:58:07,230 --> 01:58:05,500
moment I went I am going to build this

2282
01:58:10,380 --> 01:58:07,240
sensor with my friends we're gonna do

2283
01:58:13,410 --> 01:58:10,390
the best job we can and I got to tell

2284
01:58:16,230 --> 01:58:13,420
you Jimmy you've seen it the kind of

2285
01:58:20,370 --> 01:58:16,240
treatment that chris has gotten in

2286
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:20,380
social media has not been good and part

2287
01:58:26,430 --> 01:58:23,530
of it is because chris is an everyday

2288
01:58:29,940 --> 01:58:26,440
working guy he's a really good man as

2289
01:58:32,700 --> 01:58:29,950
you can see it in private he's as nice

2290
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:32,710
and kind and gentle as he was in your

2291
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:35,170
show and he did the best job he could

2292
01:58:40,710 --> 01:58:37,570
with his phone but he needs better

2293
01:58:42,930 --> 01:58:40,720
equipment and I'm trying to do a better

2294
01:58:45,900 --> 01:58:42,940
approach towards collecting evidence

2295
01:58:47,970 --> 01:58:45,910
where it's less doubt where we have the

2296
01:58:50,430 --> 01:58:47,980
up so when I saw those

2297
01:58:54,360 --> 01:58:50,440
when I saw those flashbulbs going off I

2298
01:58:57,210 --> 01:58:54,370
went I bet those flashes can be detected

2299
01:59:00,660 --> 01:58:57,220
with the right kind of radio the right

2300
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:00,670
kind of magnetometer and if something's

2301
01:59:07,580 --> 01:59:03,850
holding these things up and moving them

2302
01:59:10,500 --> 01:59:07,590
around it's possible that there are

2303
01:59:12,300 --> 01:59:10,510
acceleration anomalies that because it's

2304
01:59:15,240 --> 01:59:12,310
manipulating the gravitational field

2305
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:15,250
around them so that is when the idea for

2306
01:59:19,650 --> 01:59:18,130
all of these sensors came to my mind and

2307
01:59:22,920 --> 01:59:19,660
what we've done is do the best we can

2308
01:59:25,710 --> 01:59:22,930
with what we can get and they come so

2309
01:59:27,660 --> 01:59:25,720
close to Chris I believe we're going to

2310
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:27,670
catch some emanations from these things

2311
01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:29,770
because it especially if they pop into

2312
01:59:34,710 --> 01:59:32,050
existence that's an electromagnetic

2313
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:34,720
pulse and we ought to be able to see it

2314
01:59:41,520 --> 01:59:38,290
in a radio how old are you Bob I'm 66

2315
01:59:45,150 --> 01:59:41,530
years old so apparently you went through

2316
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:45,160
sixty years of your life plus without

2317
01:59:49,950 --> 01:59:47,770
seeing any flash bulbs and trees right

2318
01:59:52,410 --> 01:59:49,960
did not see any flash bulbs and trees I

2319
01:59:55,020 --> 01:59:52,420
saw fireflies in Alabama right right

2320
01:59:57,450 --> 01:59:55,030
right right just like the rest of us

2321
01:59:59,490 --> 01:59:57,460
yeah then suddenly you see something

2322
02:00:01,729 --> 01:59:59,500
like this for the first time you don't

2323
02:00:04,770 --> 02:00:01,739
know if it's Chris if it's

2324
02:00:08,220 --> 02:00:04,780
geographically the area it's certainly

2325
02:00:11,700 --> 02:00:08,230
happening on that day at that moment and

2326
02:00:14,310 --> 02:00:11,710
your brain is trying to make sense out

2327
02:00:17,130 --> 02:00:14,320
of going back to artificial intelligence

2328
02:00:20,430 --> 02:00:17,140
right machine learning how a child

2329
02:00:22,560 --> 02:00:20,440
learns well you learn very quickly what

2330
02:00:24,750 --> 02:00:22,570
a car is you don't have to look at a car

2331
02:00:26,940 --> 02:00:24,760
when you're five years old and have to

2332
02:00:30,390 --> 02:00:26,950
think about what you are seeing you now

2333
02:00:32,370 --> 02:00:30,400
know you're seeing a car and and that's

2334
02:00:34,860 --> 02:00:32,380
that's machine learning for the rest of

2335
02:00:37,290 --> 02:00:34,870
your life and you you become quicker and

2336
02:00:38,910 --> 02:00:37,300
quicker at it you go out and you see

2337
02:00:41,310 --> 02:00:38,920
something like this for the first time

2338
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:41,320
and your brain is nothing but confused

2339
02:00:47,340 --> 02:00:44,530
isn't it that's current EU that was the

2340
02:00:51,960 --> 02:00:47,350
that's the response I'm going what in

2341
02:00:57,330 --> 02:00:51,970
the blankety-blank is that my mind yeah

2342
02:01:01,470 --> 02:00:57,340
I I believe I was just as colorful the

2343
02:01:03,990 --> 02:01:01,480
first night that I saw something

2344
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:04,000
nuts I mean the first time and I'm with

2345
02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:06,490
the group of people that was my natural

2346
02:01:12,060 --> 02:01:08,890
reaction I mean I couldn't I couldn't

2347
02:01:13,710 --> 02:01:12,070
handle it I remember I want to ask what

2348
02:01:17,010 --> 02:01:13,720
you and your wife talked about later on

2349
02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:17,020
that night because Rita and I we walked

2350
02:01:23,190 --> 02:01:20,770
away we weren't even talking Bob we

2351
02:01:25,530 --> 02:01:23,200
weren't we we were stunned and I

2352
02:01:29,370 --> 02:01:25,540
remember we got in our car we had a

2353
02:01:32,570 --> 02:01:29,380
meeting we had a party to go to Rita's

2354
02:01:34,670 --> 02:01:32,580
looking out the window and she goes

2355
02:01:38,010 --> 02:01:34,680
they're here

2356
02:01:40,230 --> 02:01:38,020
that's all she could you know those are

2357
02:01:42,930 --> 02:01:40,240
the words that she could that she could

2358
02:01:46,620 --> 02:01:42,940
speak at that moment what did your wife

2359
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:46,630
and yourself discuss later so I you know

2360
02:01:54,090 --> 02:01:49,090
we discussed what we had seen that now I

2361
02:01:56,970 --> 02:01:54,100
want to say that I feel that I had an

2362
02:02:00,930 --> 02:01:56,980
advantage over your situation only in

2363
02:02:03,090 --> 02:02:00,940
the following sense I went there to

2364
02:02:05,370 --> 02:02:03,100
close doubt on whether or not stuff was

2365
02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:05,380
happening but I went there for the

2366
02:02:10,980 --> 02:02:08,410
purpose of seeing those kinds of things

2367
02:02:13,740 --> 02:02:10,990
and there were lots of stuff on the

2368
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:13,750
internet about what Chris had seen and

2369
02:02:18,330 --> 02:02:15,850
how he had seen it how John Alexander

2370
02:02:20,510 --> 02:02:18,340
had seen one of these orbs pop over

2371
02:02:23,970 --> 02:02:20,520
their head and so forth so I knew

2372
02:02:26,940 --> 02:02:23,980
something about what it was supposed to

2373
02:02:30,570 --> 02:02:26,950
look like so it wasn't like I was scared

2374
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:30,580
and gonna run away but it still shakes

2375
02:02:36,360 --> 02:02:33,370
up your mind you go oh my god

2376
02:02:42,990 --> 02:02:36,370
all of Chris's stories are true what the

2377
02:02:44,940 --> 02:02:43,000
blank is that and then it's your I tell

2378
02:02:48,300 --> 02:02:44,950
you my own personal way of dealing with

2379
02:02:50,940 --> 02:02:48,310
it was I began to mindfully breathe to

2380
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:50,950
try to stay mindful and look at it and

2381
02:02:55,500 --> 02:02:53,530
take in everything because I wanted to

2382
02:02:58,890 --> 02:02:55,510
see everything I didn't want to lose

2383
02:03:00,810 --> 02:02:58,900
focus on what was going on around me so

2384
02:03:03,600 --> 02:03:00,820
that I could remember it in detail later

2385
02:03:10,140 --> 02:03:03,610
and and and Sharon and I talked about it

2386
02:03:13,050 --> 02:03:10,150
at length and just so I left there and

2387
02:03:14,819 --> 02:03:13,060
I'll tell you the things that I have not

2388
02:03:20,879 --> 02:03:14,829
told anyone else

2389
02:03:24,060 --> 02:03:20,889
except for Chris we left having forged a

2390
02:03:25,649 --> 02:03:24,070
reasonable acquaintance ship and I told

2391
02:03:30,409 --> 02:03:25,659
Chris you know I think I want to help

2392
02:03:36,359 --> 02:03:30,419
you work on all this data Jimmy

2393
02:03:40,199 --> 02:03:36,369
Chris has thousands of photos hundreds

2394
02:03:46,169 --> 02:03:40,209
of videos tremendous amount of stuff and

2395
02:03:50,219 --> 02:03:46,179
it just needs a curator to deal with it

2396
02:03:55,709 --> 02:03:50,229
and I want to help them so that's now so

2397
02:04:00,750 --> 02:03:55,719
I left we went home and the phenomenon

2398
02:04:04,250 --> 02:04:00,760
followed my wife and I home we were in

2399
02:04:07,349 --> 02:04:04,260
our vacation home in Gulf Shores Alabama

2400
02:04:08,939 --> 02:04:07,359
mm-hmm and Chris and I were

2401
02:04:11,009 --> 02:04:08,949
chit-chatting every day I was trying to

2402
02:04:15,689 --> 02:04:11,019
make up what what I make up my mind

2403
02:04:20,669 --> 02:04:15,699
about what to do and a couple of strange

2404
02:04:22,889 --> 02:04:20,679
things happened I was laying on my bed

2405
02:04:27,149 --> 02:04:22,899
reading a book which I often do at night

2406
02:04:30,540 --> 02:04:27,159
before I go to sleep and something hit

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02:04:32,849 --> 02:04:30,550
my leg and I didn't know what it was and

2408
02:04:34,979 --> 02:04:32,859
I didn't pay any attention so I just

2409
02:04:37,770 --> 02:04:34,989
went back to reading my book and then

2410
02:04:40,549 --> 02:04:37,780
something hit my leg again and I looked

2411
02:04:43,379 --> 02:04:40,559
and there were drops of water on my leg

2412
02:04:46,560 --> 02:04:43,389
so I went where did the water come from

2413
02:04:48,899 --> 02:04:46,570
so I climbed up look at the ceiling

2414
02:04:52,529 --> 02:04:48,909
there's a skylight in there but there

2415
02:04:54,899 --> 02:04:52,539
was not a sign of a leak and I went what

2416
02:04:56,879 --> 02:04:54,909
in the world is this and I just put it

2417
02:05:00,119 --> 02:04:56,889
out of my mind and went to sleep the

2418
02:05:03,209 --> 02:05:00,129
next day in the morning the water drops

2419
02:05:05,069 --> 02:05:03,219
hit my leg again and I went Sharon

2420
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:05,079
please come look at this I think there's

2421
02:05:09,089 --> 02:05:07,119
water on my leg she says yeah there are

2422
02:05:11,009 --> 02:05:09,099
water drops on your leg and not only

2423
02:05:14,520 --> 02:05:11,019
that there's spots all over the blanket

2424
02:05:20,069 --> 02:05:14,530
I went I says I can't tell where this

2425
02:05:22,379 --> 02:05:20,079
water is coming from so we just I said

2426
02:05:27,569 --> 02:05:22,389
this is really strange she says yeah it

2427
02:05:28,650 --> 02:05:27,579
is so several hours later I had decided

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02:05:31,470 --> 02:05:28,660
to lay down

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02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:31,480
take a nap and she was back in the back

2430
02:05:35,730 --> 02:05:33,850
reading are working on clothes or

2431
02:05:40,500 --> 02:05:35,740
something back in the other end of the

2432
02:05:43,710 --> 02:05:40,510
house and simultaneously both of us are

2433
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:43,720
sprayed like a water pistol

2434
02:05:50,100 --> 02:05:47,770
but brush like a water pistol right out

2435
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:50,110
of the middle of the air like an airport

2436
02:05:56,940 --> 02:05:54,490
and I went oh my goodness I caught

2437
02:05:59,970 --> 02:05:56,950
picked up the phone and I called Chris

2438
02:06:03,960 --> 02:05:59,980
and his first reaction was something

2439
02:06:06,450 --> 02:06:03,970
happened didn't it Jimmy that's an

2440
02:06:09,540 --> 02:06:06,460
existential that's something that's an

2441
02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:09,550
epistemological change in everything I

2442
02:06:14,040 --> 02:06:12,490
mean I don't believe in airports and all

2443
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:14,050
of a sudden I'm getting sprayed with

2444
02:06:19,620 --> 02:06:17,530
water out of midair in my home and I

2445
02:06:23,790 --> 02:06:19,630
went Chris I'm all-in

2446
02:06:27,420 --> 02:06:23,800
I believe all this stuff now but look my

2447
02:06:30,900 --> 02:06:27,430
job is not belief I'm not here to

2448
02:06:33,810 --> 02:06:30,910
believe I'm here to gather data and here

2449
02:06:36,060 --> 02:06:33,820
are the things I want to do because if

2450
02:06:38,370 --> 02:06:36,070
there's data to be gathered around this

2451
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:38,380
this is a phenomenon that people ought

2452
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:40,930
to be able to study because I don't have

2453
02:06:44,940 --> 02:06:42,490
a clue what happened to me and my wife

2454
02:06:47,370 --> 02:06:44,950
or why it was done but this is one of

2455
02:06:50,190 --> 02:06:47,380
the strangest experiences I've ever had

2456
02:06:55,500 --> 02:06:50,200
in my life and it happened for three

2457
02:06:59,160 --> 02:06:55,510
days until I acknowledged its existence

2458
02:07:02,100 --> 02:06:59,170
that it had to be associated picked up

2459
02:07:05,070 --> 02:07:02,110
the phone and called Chris and it never

2460
02:07:07,980 --> 02:07:05,080
happened again so you got super soaked I

2461
02:07:10,170 --> 02:07:07,990
got super soaked call Chris and they

2462
02:07:12,930 --> 02:07:10,180
stopped super soaked in me now this is

2463
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:12,940
the thing okay obviously Bob you know

2464
02:07:19,110 --> 02:07:15,760
this is crazy talk okay so why it's

2465
02:07:23,330 --> 02:07:19,120
crazy crazy talk you come from a

2466
02:07:26,760 --> 02:07:23,340
background of numbers of codes of

2467
02:07:28,850 --> 02:07:26,770
thinking about science and pragmatics

2468
02:07:31,050 --> 02:07:28,860
you are not in the consciousness

2469
02:07:34,140 --> 02:07:31,060
spirituality there's there's weird

2470
02:07:35,910 --> 02:07:34,150
things out there that we can't explain

2471
02:07:39,270 --> 02:07:35,920
that is not your world

2472
02:07:42,549 --> 02:07:39,280
you come from the other world now how do

2473
02:07:45,020 --> 02:07:42,559
you how do you deal with this

2474
02:07:49,369 --> 02:07:45,030
what I want to tell you what what people

2475
02:07:52,759 --> 02:07:49,379
have said and it's the same with me once

2476
02:07:57,799 --> 02:07:52,769
you see all this and you've experienced

2477
02:08:00,349 --> 02:07:57,809
it you are not the same and I go I don't

2478
02:08:04,790 --> 02:08:00,359
know what this is chris has a bunch of

2479
02:08:08,149 --> 02:08:04,800
interpretations and beliefs my job in

2480
02:08:11,119 --> 02:08:08,159
this as far as I am concerned is not

2481
02:08:13,159 --> 02:08:11,129
belief it's gather data so that it can

2482
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:13,169
be studied because that's the only way I

2483
02:08:19,579 --> 02:08:16,169
know how to think I don't know what it

2484
02:08:22,339 --> 02:08:19,589
is I don't have a clue I know that it's

2485
02:08:25,459 --> 02:08:22,349
real my wife and I experienced it as

2486
02:08:27,949 --> 02:08:25,469
being real and we just going to do what

2487
02:08:29,899 --> 02:08:27,959
we can to figure out what it is and at

2488
02:08:33,229 --> 02:08:29,909
the same time I'm gonna help Chris

2489
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:33,239
curate these thousands of pieces of data

2490
02:08:38,179 --> 02:08:36,239
he has and has not shared tomorrow

2491
02:08:42,399 --> 02:08:38,189
you're gonna get called into the dean's

2492
02:08:44,959 --> 02:08:42,409
office he's gonna say Bob

2493
02:08:48,679 --> 02:08:44,969
interdimensional super soaker from a

2494
02:08:53,479 --> 02:08:48,689
portal from a dimension and time a

2495
02:08:58,459 --> 02:08:53,489
parallel world really I can tell ya it

2496
02:09:02,329 --> 02:08:58,469
was as wild as that so Bob has decided

2497
02:09:07,369 --> 02:09:02,339
to do the following thing I'm retiring

2498
02:09:10,009 --> 02:09:07,379
in May and I can do what I want yeah you

2499
02:09:14,089 --> 02:09:10,019
know that's that's that's a wonderful

2500
02:09:14,810 --> 02:09:14,099
thing but let me ask you a direct

2501
02:09:18,259 --> 02:09:14,820
question

2502
02:09:20,359 --> 02:09:18,269
you know this the water the Super Soaker

2503
02:09:22,310 --> 02:09:20,369
this experience Super Soaker I can't

2504
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:22,320
believe I said that on the air with you

2505
02:09:27,290 --> 02:09:25,050
but but nonetheless this was a physical

2506
02:09:29,389 --> 02:09:27,300
event this was a real event

2507
02:09:33,669 --> 02:09:29,399
you were not asleep your wife you you

2508
02:09:37,639 --> 02:09:33,679
want this was a physical event did this

2509
02:09:41,029 --> 02:09:37,649
materialize it was it created out of

2510
02:09:43,099 --> 02:09:41,039
thin air did it come from another

2511
02:09:43,849 --> 02:09:43,109
dimension and it just entered this

2512
02:09:46,069 --> 02:09:43,859
dimension

2513
02:09:47,779 --> 02:09:46,079
you've got to rationalize this in your

2514
02:09:50,629 --> 02:09:47,789
own mind you've got to make sense of it

2515
02:09:53,779 --> 02:09:50,639
what do you think I was gonna tell you

2516
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:53,789
as a scientist that is not what I do I

2517
02:09:59,450 --> 02:09:55,530
just because the

2518
02:10:04,010 --> 02:09:59,460
answer is Jimmy I don't know I know this

2519
02:10:06,860 --> 02:10:04,020
the water was real and we did everything

2520
02:10:09,560 --> 02:10:06,870
we could to figure out where it came

2521
02:10:12,410 --> 02:10:09,570
from and it wasn't a leak because it had

2522
02:10:15,740 --> 02:10:12,420
been sunny and hot and clear for three

2523
02:10:18,620 --> 02:10:15,750
days so it just was not rain leaking in

2524
02:10:21,350 --> 02:10:18,630
from the roof I got all around the roof

2525
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:21,360
of the room where my and it happened in

2526
02:10:27,320 --> 02:10:24,890
two different parts of the home and

2527
02:10:29,570 --> 02:10:27,330
simultaneously two people squirted and

2528
02:10:32,080 --> 02:10:29,580
neither one of the roofs had leaks then

2529
02:10:37,190 --> 02:10:32,090
I'm just telling you it was really weird

2530
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:37,200
do you think as we wind this down let's

2531
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:40,490
suppose that the same experience

2532
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:43,530
happened to somebody like Brian Greene

2533
02:10:54,250 --> 02:10:46,290
right the physicist or Lawrence Krauss

2534
02:10:58,160 --> 02:10:54,260
right our Sam Harris these very famous

2535
02:11:01,580 --> 02:10:58,170
non-believers the skeptics as being too

2536
02:11:05,630 --> 02:11:01,590
kind does this does this change their

2537
02:11:07,550 --> 02:11:05,640
world I'm sure that they would attempt

2538
02:11:10,730 --> 02:11:07,560
to rationalize it they weren't just

2539
02:11:13,430 --> 02:11:10,740
telling you everything I tried to do to

2540
02:11:15,920 --> 02:11:13,440
rationalize it failed and if they are

2541
02:11:18,680 --> 02:11:15,930
honest with themselves and it happened

2542
02:11:21,500 --> 02:11:18,690
to them they would have a lot of

2543
02:11:26,480 --> 02:11:21,510
head-scratching to do I don't understand

2544
02:11:29,180 --> 02:11:26,490
why the science community you know the

2545
02:11:30,830 --> 02:11:29,190
real science community because they hear

2546
02:11:32,810 --> 02:11:30,840
about night vision they hear about these

2547
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:32,820
sky watches they hear about these they

2548
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:35,010
hear all the report they read it's in

2549
02:11:41,810 --> 02:11:38,880
the news I don't know why they don't

2550
02:11:45,170 --> 02:11:41,820
apply the scientific method and go out

2551
02:11:48,530 --> 02:11:45,180
and at least try to witness this and

2552
02:11:50,590 --> 02:11:48,540
then maybe approach it from a scientific

2553
02:11:53,240 --> 02:11:50,600
mind and so we can all work together

2554
02:11:55,160 --> 02:11:53,250
there's a line in the sand that won't be

2555
02:11:58,730 --> 02:11:55,170
crossed here Bob and I don't understand

2556
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:58,740
why okay so as a scientist I can tell

2557
02:12:04,010 --> 02:12:01,520
you a part of a part of this equation

2558
02:12:06,610 --> 02:12:04,020
some of the equation but it's a part of

2559
02:12:11,050 --> 02:12:06,620
the equation aside from the obvious

2560
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:14,390
ay-ay-ay faculty person at a research

2561
02:12:22,600 --> 02:12:18,960
university is required to write from

2562
02:12:27,320 --> 02:12:22,610
sponsoring entities to do research and

2563
02:12:32,479 --> 02:12:27,330
so if I want to spend and university

2564
02:12:35,990 --> 02:12:32,489
resources study the phenomenon I have to

2565
02:12:40,930 --> 02:12:36,000
get it funded our no funding sources

2566
02:12:45,220 --> 02:12:40,940
Jimmy the that scientists can do it so

2567
02:12:51,770 --> 02:12:45,230
part of me wanting to collect this data

2568
02:12:54,080 --> 02:12:51,780
APTN and I joined the Society for the

2569
02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:54,090
seu group which is a bunch of scientists

2570
02:13:01,580 --> 02:12:56,880
trying to collect data on you ApS I

2571
02:13:04,040 --> 02:13:01,590
joined that group as is they just just

2572
02:13:07,490 --> 02:13:04,050
joining member not a collaborator but a

2573
02:13:10,700 --> 02:13:07,500
joining member so that we could talk

2574
02:13:15,070 --> 02:13:10,710
together but again till there's enough

2575
02:13:17,930 --> 02:13:15,080
data gathered so that somebody can say

2576
02:13:20,479 --> 02:13:17,940
scientifically interesting we will be

2577
02:13:22,760 --> 02:13:20,489
have a hard time finding any kind of

2578
02:13:27,320 --> 02:13:22,770
funding source that will fund this

2579
02:13:30,770 --> 02:13:27,330
research and no funds no Buck Rogers

2580
02:13:33,350 --> 02:13:30,780
that's just the way it is you you teach

2581
02:13:35,330 --> 02:13:33,360
classes or you have to have funded

2582
02:13:37,700 --> 02:13:35,340
research and if you can't get it funded

2583
02:13:41,060 --> 02:13:37,710
you're not doing it on University

2584
02:13:42,950 --> 02:13:41,070
property because they expect you to pay

2585
02:13:45,500 --> 02:13:42,960
for the use of the equipment out of your

2586
02:13:50,180 --> 02:13:45,510
research fronds and that's just the way

2587
02:13:51,620 --> 02:13:50,190
it is there's no chain there's no need

2588
02:13:53,810 --> 02:13:51,630
to be ugly about it it's just how the

2589
02:13:57,430 --> 02:13:53,820
system works right right

2590
02:14:01,040 --> 02:13:57,440
hey Bob thank you

2591
02:14:03,620 --> 02:14:01,050
my pleasure this was an amazing evening

2592
02:14:05,689 --> 02:14:03,630
for me personally on the show I get to

2593
02:14:09,020 --> 02:14:05,699
talk about all the things that I'm

2594
02:14:11,930 --> 02:14:09,030
fascinated with from somebody that can

2595
02:14:14,180 --> 02:14:11,940
give me and and in return

2596
02:14:15,770 --> 02:14:14,190
the audience the answers that we seek

2597
02:14:18,140 --> 02:14:15,780
and it was just a wonderful conversation

2598
02:14:20,479 --> 02:14:18,150
I look forward to hanging out with you

2599
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:20,489
in person of course but also getting you

2600
02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:21,280
back on the show

2601
02:14:27,990 --> 02:14:24,010
and if there's any assistance that you

2602
02:14:29,640 --> 02:14:28,000
need with you APTN and the website and

2603
02:14:31,620 --> 02:14:29,650
getting the word out you just let us

2604
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:31,630
know we are here to support you thank

2605
02:14:37,620 --> 02:14:34,570
you so much Bob Thank You Jimmy have a

2606
02:14:38,910 --> 02:14:37,630
great night thank you bye-bye Bob

2607
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:38,920
McGuire

2608
02:14:42,690 --> 02:14:41,530
now the links for Bob are over at Jimmy

2609
02:14:45,980 --> 02:14:42,700
Church radio.com

2610
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:45,990
you can see right there you apt n.com

2611
02:14:51,420 --> 02:14:49,930
everybody get involved with that I am

2612
02:14:54,660 --> 02:14:51,430
gonna roll credits and get out of here

2613
02:14:57,420 --> 02:14:54,670
Bob just went first time guess Bob went

2614
02:14:59,850 --> 02:14:57,430
pole to pole it doesn't get any better

2615
02:15:01,890 --> 02:14:59,860
than that thank you so much Bob McGuire

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02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:01,900
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